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PostSubject: Bantam Boys   Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:52 pm

I have my hands in both mini and bantam for one of New Brunswick minor associations. I see a lot of the future high school players every weekend, and I must say there is a nice group coming up in the next 4 years.

Without naming any players myself, is there any one who watches enough bantam boys games to list off a few of the top players in the province?
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:01 pm

No one?
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:28 pm

Riverview has a real strong team but there 2 best players aren't from there No names used
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:30 pm

ballnut wrote:
Riverview has a real strong team but there 2 best players aren't from there No names used

Actually their best player is from Riverview. Of the two from Hillsborough, the PG has already moved to Riverview and is attending RMS this year, followed by RHS next year. Word is their big kid is going to RHS next year too.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:39 pm

I mean defensively and offensively. If you score 20 and the guy your defending sores 30 your actually -10. And for paperwork purposes you are right about 1 and the other is completely undecided
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:45 pm

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I mean defensively and offensively. If you score 20 and the guy your defending sores 30 your actually -10. And for paperwork purposes you are right about 1 and the other is completely undecided

/confused

Are you implying their top player who leads the team in offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding and steals is a liability on defense?
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:05 pm

If the guy he is guarding scores 20 or 30 absolutely
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:07 pm

ballnut wrote:
If the guy he is guarding scores 20 or 30 absolutely

Ok I can only assume you're not that familiar with the team then. They allow on average 38 points a game, and I know for a fact 30 (or even 15) ever come from one player.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:18 pm

I get it. I know what your saying but I am not talking about all the blow outs. I am talking about close contested games where every point matters. I am not saying they are the best but I am saying if they were not there your team would be a lot worse. You asked for an opinion and I gave it but I guess my opinion isn't what you wanted to hear OH well they beat ya last year with a guy who couldn't make the a team as a team mate and it was with that smothering grinding defence that wins games
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:25 pm

ballnut wrote:
I get it. I know what your saying but I am not talking about all the blow outs. I am talking about close contested games where every point matters. I am not saying they are the best but I am saying if they were not there your team would be a lot worse. You asked for an opinion and I gave it but I guess my opinion isn't what you wanted to hear OH well they beat ya last year with a guy who couldn't make the a team as a team mate and it was with that smothering grinding defence that wins games

We're obviously not talking about the same thing.

From your comment about last year, it sounds like you're talking about our Hillsborough players. While they are #2 and #3 on the team, our best player is from Riverview. My impression was you're saying our best scorer/rebounder can't play defense.

As far as your comment, it's quite unnecessary to take jabs like that especially where you are probably unfamiliar with policy on taking outside players.

Finally - for the record - we did beat Moncton last year.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:48 pm

who said anything about moncton. And i didn't say your best player couldn't play defence. We simply disagree on who the best player is. numbers do not always mean that is your best player. I was referring to middle school last year which was the bantam minus the hillsborough players and you didn't beat them
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:53 pm

ballnut wrote:
who said anything about moncton. And i didn't say your best player couldn't play defence. We simply disagree on who the best player is. numbers do not always mean that is your best player. I was referring to middle school last year which was the bantam minus the hillsborough players and you didn't beat them

Then I'll go back to being confused, as I don't know how middle school games have to do with this years team.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:55 pm

that is why your name has coach in it and mine has nuts
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:55 am

Bath has a very nice middle/bantam team this year
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:03 am

We had the chance to play them during the spring in U13. Granted they had some players from all over, they gave us a good game. Very physical too, which my boys seemed to thrive off.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Not sure why it matters that two of the better players are from Hillsborough.
Would not be the first time this has happened in BNB who actually have release forms making this a somewhat sensible process. Bigger concern is when this happens in the NBIAA which does not seem to care let alone police if a players plays for the high school which happens to be in the district he or she lives. That said assume this only happens in the larger metros.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:49 pm

BAM wrote:
Not sure why it matters that two of the better players are from Hillsborough.
Would not be the first time this has happened in BNB who actually have release forms making this a somewhat sensible process. Bigger concern is when this happens in the NBIAA which does not seem to care let alone police if a players plays for the high school which happens to be in the district he or she lives. That said assume this only happens in the larger metros.

Lets not have this turn into an argument about players playing for different areas.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:00 pm

Yeah lets not they played there because hillsborough had no team last year or this year we benefitted as well as 2 played for us and yes you beat us at the start of the season but not once we got the new boys comfortable with our team. But on topic fredi has a couple good players one being a young point guard who is pretty good for his age.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:01 pm

BAM wrote:
Bigger concern is when this happens in the NBIAA which does not seem to care let alone police if a players plays for the high school which happens to be in the district he or she lives. That said assume this only happens in the larger metros.

They care about 6 pages of rules worth:

Article 2—Player Eligibility
Section 1.
A player must be a student enrolled in a public or private high school in New
Brunswick, which has become a member of the NBIAA and must be in
regular attendance during the school year in which he/she wishes to compete
as certified by the school Principal.
Section 2.
A player is eligible:
a) for five (5) years from entering into Grade 9.
b) unless declared ineligible or suspended by his/her Principal.
c) until he/she has graduated from high school, (or the end of the school
year in which the person attains the age of 21—Education Act).
Section 3.
A student must carry a full complement of regular/credit courses during the
first four (4) years of eligibility (Grades 9-12). A fifth year student is required
to enrol in the courses needed to fulfill graduation requirements.
Section 4.
Transfer student eligibility:
The intent of this regulation is to prevent recruiting and the transfer of students
for athletic purposes. All transfer students are ineligible for NBIAA activities
until cleared by the NBIAA office. The NBIAA Transfer Form must be
received by the appropriate group before a decision may be rendered.
The school year is deemed to start on the first day of school for students in
September. Eligibility for NBIAA activities shall begin upon registration of a
student in grade 9. Transferring students – applicable date is the first day
registered in the new member school. Always check with the school principal
and/or the NBIAA before a student transfers, to determine whether it will
affect their eligibility. Disciplinary actions will follow the student-athlete to
all schools in the province.
I. A student is eligible to participate for an NBIAA member school if they
meet one of the following 5 conditions:
i) Family move: the student has moved with the parent(s)/legal guardian(s)
who has changed residence and resides within the normal boundaries of
the school at which the student has registered. The change of residence
must be made with the intent that it is permanent.
ii) Parent to parent move: the student moves to reside with the parent with
whom they have NOT been living. (The student’s parents are living apart
during the school year). The student has not participated in any NBIAA
activities in the current school year before transferring.
iii) School to school transfer: the student is transferring from one NBIAA
member school to another member school by the first day of school for
students in September.
iv)Incoming Exchange or Out of Province Students: the student is
transferring to an NBIAA member school and has not received a high
school diploma.
v) Boarding School Students: the student is transferring from a school
outside of New Brunswick to an NBIAA member boarding school as a
boarder before the first day of school for students in September. The
boarding school assumes responsibility as the students parents have not
relocated.
After the first day of school for students in September - the student did
not participate in any NBIAA activities in the current school year.
Returning to the parents’ home - the student did not participate in any
NBIAA activities in the current school year.
II. A transfer student is ineligible to participate for a member school for fortyfive
(45) school days from the date of enrolment if (after the first day of
school for students in September):
i) Non-family move: the student transfers without a change of residence
by the parent(s) or legal guardian(s).
ii) Parent to parent move: the student moves to reside with the parent
with whom they have not been living (where a student’s parents are
living apart during the school year) and the student HAS participate in
NBIAA activities during the current school year.
iii) School to school transfer: the student is transferring from one NBIAA
member school to another NBIAA school after the first day of school for
students in September.
iv) Boarding School Students: the student is transferring from a New
Brunswick school to an NBIAA member boarding school (boarder or
day student) and HAS participated in NBIAA activities in the current
school year. The student is transferring back to his/her parents’ home
from a boarding school and HAS participated in NBIAA activities in the
current school year.
Notes:
1. Once a student has changed schools he/she is considered a transfer student
and must comply with the NBIAA Transfer Rules.
2. The word ‘participate’ in these regulations means competing for your
school in an NBIAA activity. This includes practices/try-outs, exhibition
games, tournaments and league play.
3. Students transferring from other provinces, states or countries, who have
graduated from their respective high school programs or equivalent, are
ineligible for NBIAA activities.
4. Transfer students can ONLY be added to an NBIAA team personnel form
after they have been deemed eligible by the NBIAA.
5. In calculating the required forty-five (45) school days, only days of
instruction from Monday to Friday may be counted. Any holidays are not
considered to be “days of instruction”.
Legal Guardian - A legal guardian shall be defined as:
A person who has been appointed legal guardian of the child by will and
has supported, maintained or cared for the child since the death of the
parent(s) with whom the child was previously residing.
An adult who is under a legal duty to support or maintain the child under a
court order or under a written agreement and has supported or maintained
the child for the previous twelve (12) months.
An adult who has signed a Statutory Declaration stating that they consider
themselves to be the parent of the child and who has maintained, cared for
and financially supported the child for the previous twelve (12) months.
A statutory Declaration is a Declaration sworn before a Notary Public or
Commissioner of Oaths, and has the same effect as an oath given in a
courtroom. A declaration is considered to be sworn evidence.
Boarding School: Where the administration of the school has assumed
legal responsibility of the student while in attendance of their school.
Penalties and Sanctions:
The use of an ineligible player(s) shall cause the team concerned to forfeit all
games and points won in those games in which the player(s) participated. The
Executive Committee may levy additional penalties as it deems appropriate.

O.R. 3 - ELIGIBILITY & RECRUITMENT
3.1 No student may participate in athletics for a school in which they are not
enrolled.
3.2 A sport specific education program allows for sport specific education,
training, instruction and/or competition; provides sport skills training in a
targeted sport; provides other training/education such as, but not limited
to, weight training, sport nutrition, or mental training to support the
targeted sport. If this program involves more than 50% of instructional
time in one sport, it is considered a sport specific education program.
A student is allowed to enrol in a sport specific program for one semester
and will remain eligible to compete in that sport with the NBIAA. Once the
student enrols in a second sport specific program of that same sport, they
become ineligible to participate with the NBIAA for that sport until
graduation.
3.3 Insurance becomes available once the player meets the eligibility
requirements of the NBIAA.
3.4 The NBIAA strongly condemns any attempt to recruit a student-athlete
into a member school. A recruiting prohibition discourages exploitation of
students: prevents over-emphasis of athletics; gives average studentathletes
more opportunity to participate; discourages adults from
jeopardizing a student’s eligibility and prevents misuse of athletic
programs.
1. Definition: recruiting is defined as a representative of a school, either
directly or through another party, encouraging a student to attend a school
other than that in whose catchment area he or she resides, for the purpose
of being involved in extracurricular sport. The school representative could
be a teacher, administrator, school district employee, school employee,
student, parent, alumnus or any person representing themselves as a school
contact.
2. Indicators of Recruiting: there are many legitimate times that a school
representative and/or coach of a school team will be in contact with
students from another school. Therefore, indicators of recruiting have been
developed to provide parameters of behaviour expectations for coaches and
other school representative(s). For brevity, the term “coach” is used, but
the policy applies equally to coaches or any other school representatives as
listed above.
a) a coach shall not initiate contact with any student who does not attend,
or does not directly feed into the coach’s school, in order to suggest,
encourage or explain a transfer to a different school.
b) a coach shall not encourage any other person, including past and present
players, to contact any student to suggest, encourage or explain a
transfer to a different school.
c) a coach shall not permit a student who is not currently enrolled at the
coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into thecoach’s school, to participate in team practices or participate in
scheduled team activities (including travel to games/events, team
meetings or trips), unless specifically agreed to by the NBIAA.
d) a coach shall not permit a student who is not currently enrolled at the
coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the
coach’s school, to attend “open gym” at the coach’s school or attend
spring or summer practices, games or camps specifically designated for
enrolled students.
e) a coach shall not entice a student who is not currently enrolled at the
coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the
coach’s school, into transferring to the coach’s school. Examples of the
applicable situations are listed below, but are not limited to:
i. Providing particular inducements such a preferential
accommodation, reduced fees or employment at any camp program
ii. allowing the non-enrolled student to accompany the team to a
school or team function, or by offering a discounted or special
admission to any school function, including team games
iii. providing a non-enrolled student with team plans, practice outlines
or game plans
iv. providing transportation, equipment, clothing/footwear or financial
inducement in order to facilitate a non-enrolled student’s
involvement in out-of-season contests, leagues, camps, clinics or
related programs
v. inviting or allowing a student who is transferring to the coach’s
school to reside with the coach (and/or coach’s family) who is not
the student’s parent or legal guardian or being financially supported
in anyway by a coach or institution
vi. a coach shall not use an evaluation process from an out-of-season
program or camp to suggest that a student transfer to any other
school other than the one at which he or she is currently enrolled or
into which they will directly feed
f) Student Approaching a Coach: If a coach is approached by any student
who is not enrolled at the coach’s school, or by any student who will
not directly feed into the coach’s school, with questions or comments
regarding any sports program at the coach’s school, the coach must
direct the student to the school administration or school district office.
Once a student has registered at the coach’s school, the coach may
discuss school teams.
g) offering monetary or transportation assistance to a student, parent or
guardian (including fees, tuition, bus passes or other allowances or
waivers). Provided however, that for the purposes of these regulations,
waiver or any fee ordinarily charge to an international student by a
school, shall not necessarily be considered undue influence or
recruitment. Provided further that, when determining whether undue
influence or recruitment exists, the NBIAA Executive shall be entitled
to consider whether such fees are waived for students not involved in
athletic activities.
If a person has knowledge of undue influence or recruitment, as defined
herein and allegedly committed by any other student, coach, teacher,
school staff, or administrative personnel connected with an NBIAA
member school, he/she shall provide written notice of the allegation of
undue influence or recruitment to the Executive Director.
Sanctions and Penalties:
Upon reporting of a recruiting violation in writing to the NBIAA, the
Executive Director shall initiate an investigation of the allegations contained in
the written notice. The Executive Director will present the written complaint to
the school involved and require a written response from the Principal by 4:00
PM of the next business day.
Any school staff or administrative personnel of the school involved, who fails
or refuses to cooperate with and assist in the investigation conducted by the
Executive Director, may result in the team being excluded from all competition
or subject to alternative penalties as determined by the NBIAA Executive
Committee.
Should the investigation result in confirmation of recruiting, the NBIAA
Executive committee will review the infraction and sanctions may range from:
1. The player and / or team may be ineligible for participation in NBIAA
provincial playoffs within the same season of play.
2. Be fined up to $1000.00
3. Have the head coach ruled ineligible for participation within the
CURRENT and NEXT season of play.
4. Be subject to any or all of the above mentioned penalties or to alternative
penalties as determined by the NBIAA Executive Committee.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:11 pm

hawkfan wrote:
Yeah lets not they played there because hillsborough had no team last year or this year we benefitted as well as 2 played for us and yes you beat us at the start of the season but not once we got the new boys comfortable with our team. But on topic fredi has a couple good players one being a young point guard who is pretty good for his age.

I worked with one of your Hillsborough players all summer at Crandall. What a great kid!

Last years Hillsborough players that is.
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:12 pm

good one coach. The bnb rules are a cake walk conpared to nbiaa rules believe me I know you could wait up to 7 or 8 months for a transfer request to be approved or denied
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:16 pm

Coach.Red wrote:
hawkfan wrote:
Yeah lets not they played there because hillsborough had no team last year or this year we benefitted as well as 2 played for us and yes you beat us at the start of the season but not once we got the new boys comfortable with our team. But on topic fredi has a couple good players one being a young point guard who is pretty good for his age.

I worked with one of your Hillsborough players all summer at Crandall. What a great kid!

Last years Hillsborough players that is.
Yeah he is and so are your boys. No one can fault a parent for wanting there child to play ball. All those boys love it with a passion, but stuff like that happens in small communities and when some of these boys get a taste of AAA they don't want to go back
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:19 pm

I stand corrected obviously there are rules covering this but the bottom line is it is happening and I totally agree if it is a matter of a player not having a place to play this should be totally allowed. Also I truly do not think coaches are recruiting kids from other schools but there are kids playing today and in the past in larger areas that have more then one High School and they are playing for AAA teams that are not the AAA school they should be attending.
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PostSubject: Skip straight to this synopsis   Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:35 pm

Coach.Red wrote:
BAM wrote:
Not sure why it matters that two of the better players are from Hillsborough.
Would not be the first time this has happened in BNB who actually have release forms making this a somewhat sensible process. Bigger concern is when this happens in the NBIAA which does not seem to care let alone police if a players plays for the high school which happens to be in the district he or she lives. That said assume this only happens in the larger metros.

Lets not have this turn into an argument about players playing for different areas.

Funny stuff!

Coach.Red obviously started this thread fishing for people to talk about his players.
He got semi dissed for having players from different places and didn't like it.
Then he dissed the tiny community of Bath for having kids from the next tiny community play with them.
Then he didn't want this thread to be about people playing in different areas.
Oh, almost forgot that coachdjr showed off his cut and paste skills...
I love it!
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PostSubject: Re: Bantam Boys   Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:18 pm

Birdman33 wrote:
Coach.Red wrote:
BAM wrote:
Not sure why it matters that two of the better players are from Hillsborough.
Would not be the first time this has happened in BNB who actually have release forms making this a somewhat sensible process. Bigger concern is when this happens in the NBIAA which does not seem to care let alone police if a players plays for the high school which happens to be in the district he or she lives. That said assume this only happens in the larger metros.

Lets not have this turn into an argument about players playing for different areas.

Funny stuff!

Coach.Red obviously started this thread fishing for people to talk about his players.
He got semi dissed for having players from different places and didn't like it.
Then he dissed the tiny community of Bath for having kids from the next tiny community play with them.
Then he didn't want this thread to be about people playing in different areas.
Oh, almost forgot that coachdjr showed off his cut and paste skills...
I love it!

Edit: Not worth the argument.

Think what you want.
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