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PostSubject: Provincial Tittle   Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:38 pm

Going out on a limb here but seeing the upsets and who will make it through to the dome, it looks to me that whoever comes out number one from the Valley should have a straight run at being number 1. I know anything can happen but it looks like the valley this year has the strongest contingent of teams.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:22 pm

Do you mean a straight run at getting all the way to the final and winning it? Or just that the team who wins the FV will be the number 1 seed?
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:15 am

coachb wrote:
Going out on a limb here but seeing the upsets and who will make it through to the dome, it looks to me that whoever comes out number one from the Valley should have a straight run at being number 1. I know anything can happen but it looks like the valley this year has the strongest contingent of teams.

Upsets galore, exactly.

So far, from the last rankings, out of the 15 ranked teams, and the 8 who were HM, at least 7 have already been eliminated. Many Many upsets.

As for the Valley winner, if Yale wins the Valley, they will be the # 1 seed at provincials. If Yale loses to either Pitt, Fox or WRCA, then I am pretty sure that VC will be the # 1 seed at Provincials, assuming they win the Lower Mainlands.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:31 am

Who has been knocked out already and won't be making Provincials?
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:53 am

Here are the final rankings for AAA; teams in bold have qualified, teams in italics have been eliminated, teams left alone are still up in the air:

Current/Team/Previous

1. Yale (Abbotsford) (1)
2. Vancouver College (2)
3. Pitt Meadows (3)
4. Burnaby South (4)
5. White Rock Christian (7)
6. South Kamloops (Cool
7. St. George's (Vancouver) (T5)
8. Mt. Boucherie (Kelowna) (T9)
T9. Sir Charles Tupper (Vancouver) (13)
T9. Cowichan (Duncan) (11)
11. Kitsilano (Vancouver) (T5)
12. Dover Bay (Nanaimo) (T9)
13. Fleetwood Park (Surrey) (12)
14. Argyle (North Vancouver) (HM)
15. WJ Mouat (Abbotsford) (15)

Honourable mention
HM Byrne Creek (Burnaby) (HM)
HM Centennial (Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Claremont (Victoria) (HM)
HM Delta (HM)
HM Heritage Woods (Port Moody) (14)
HM Oak Bay (Victoria) (HM)
HM Terry Fox (Port Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Walnut Grove (Langley) (HM)

Others making it but not ranked:

Carson Graham
Mt. Baker

From the Lower Mainland:

VC is playing Byrne Creek for 1st/2nd
Tupper is playing Burnaby South for 3rd/4th

All 4 have qualified
Burnaby Mtn eliminated Kitsilano earlier and then B. South eliminated Burnaby Mtn.

From the FV:

Pitt is playing WRCA in one semifinal
Yale is playing Terry Fox in the other semifinal
Mouat is playing Walnut Grove in a consolation semifinal
Delta is playing Clayton Heights in the other consolation semifinal

The top 7 out of these 8 qualify for AAAs
Walnut Grove eliminated Fleetwood Park. Delta eliminated Centennial. Centennial had eliminated Heritage Woods earlier.

From the Howe Sound:

Argyle is playing Carson for first place, however if Carson wins they have to play a rubber match because Argyle beat Carson earlier in the tourney.

Both teams have qualified for AAAs.

From the Okanagan:

South Kamloops beat Mt. Boucherie (eliminating them) in the finals.

South Kam has qualified for AAAs.

From the Kootenays:

Mt. Baker has qualified by default.


I figure if Yale wins the FV they'll be #1, if they don't VC will be #1 as long as they win the LM. If Yale loses and VC loses but Pitt or WRCA wins the FV then the winner of the FV will be the #1. However...if Yale loses, VC loses, and Terry Fox wins the FV...I don't know WTF will happen. South Kam goes #1? Or the FV winner or LM winner is #1? Who knows. Probably won't happen though.

So, barring anything drastic Yale will be 1.
If they're 1...
VC is 2
Pitt/WRCA will be 3 if they come second in the FV
B. South drops from 4 and South Kam will be here (because if Pitt or WRCA was second in FV they would have beaten WRCA or Pitt, meaning WRCA or Pitt is 3rd out of FV)
Then WRCA or Pitt will be 5th

And after that I'm too lazy.


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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:54 am

The ones that have been crossed are eliminated from making the provincials and bolded are the ones that have already qualified

1 Yale Lions (Abbotsford) (Previous ranking - 1)
2 Vancouver College Fighting Irish (2)
3 Pitt Meadows Marauders (3)
4 Burnaby South Rebels (4)
5 White Rock Christian Academy Warriors (Surrey) (7)
6 South Kamloops Titans (Cool
7 St. George's Saints (Vancouver) (T5)
8 Mt. Boucherie Bears (Kelowna) (T9)
T9 Sir Charles Tupper Tigers (Vancouver) (13)
T9 Cowichan Thunderbirds (Duncan) (11)
11 Kitsilano Blue Demons (Vancouver) (T5)
12 Dover Bay Dolphins (Nanaimo) (T9)
13 Fleetwood Park Dragons (Surrey) (12)
14 Argyle Pipers (North Vancouver) (Honourable Mention)
15 W.J. Mouat Hawks (Abbotsford) (15)
HM Terry Fox Ravens (Port Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Walnut Grove Gators (Langley) (HM)
HM Delta Pacers (HM)
HM Heritage Woods Kodiaks (Port Moody) (14)
HM Byrne Creek Bulldogs (Burnaby) (HM)
HM Centennial Centaurs (Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Oak Bay Bays (Victoria) (HM)
HM Claremont Spartans (Victoria) (HM)


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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:56 am

im still a little choked at st. georges cant even attempt to defend their title by going to zones. They need to seriously fix that
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:03 am

[quote="snaked]

I figure if Yale wins the FV they'll be #1, if they don't VC will be #1 as long as they win the LM. If Yale loses and VC loses but Pitt or WRCA wins the FV then the winner of the FV will be the #1. However...if Yale loses, VC loses, and Terry Fox wins the FV...I don't know WTF will happen. South Kam goes #1? Or the FV winner or LM winner is #1? Who knows. Probably won't happen though.

So, barring anything drastic Yale will be 1.
If they're 1...
VC is 2
Pitt/WRCA will be 3 if they come second in the FV
B. South drops from 4 and South Kam will be here (because if Pitt or WRCA was second in FV they would have beaten WRCA or Pitt, meaning WRCA or Pitt is 3rd out of FV)
Then WRCA or Pitt will be 5th

And after that I'm too lazy.[/quote]

Cowichan has also been eliminated, as they lost to Oak Bay and are now on the consolation side of the Island draw.

I agree with your reasoning except for one thing. If things go to form in the Valley, assuming that Yale wins, the loser of WRCA/Pitt will NOT be seeded as high as 5. That team will probably end up 7, because the winner from the Island will be seeded higher, as well as the winner from Howe Sound. Also, South Kam will probably be seeded higher. So, let's assume Yale wins, and the seedings will probably be as follows :

1. Yale
2. VC
3. Winner of WRCA / Pitt
4. South Kam
5. Winner of Island
6. Argyle
7. Loser of WRCA / Pitt
8. Byrne Creek
9. Island # 2
10. Winner Tupper / Burnaby South
11. Terry Fox
12. Carson Graham
13. Island # 3
14. Loser Tupper / Burnaby South
15. FV # 5
16. Team A
17. FV # 6
18. Team B
19. Fv # 7
20. Team C

Teams A, B, and C are from the group of :

North Central 1 berth
North West 1 berth
Kootenay 1 berth

Anyways, thats how I see it playing out, but it would all change if Yale loses to either Fox or the winner of Pitt/WRCA.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:17 am

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I figure if Yale wins the FV they'll be #1, if they don't VC will be #1 as long as they win the LM. If Yale loses and VC loses but Pitt or WRCA wins the FV then the winner of the FV will be the #1. However...if Yale loses, VC loses, and Terry Fox wins the FV...I don't know WTF will happen. South Kam goes #1? Or the FV winner or LM winner is #1? Who knows. Probably won't happen though.

So, barring anything drastic Yale will be 1.
If they're 1...
VC is 2
Pitt/WRCA will be 3 if they come second in the FV
B. South drops from 4 and South Kam will be here (because if Pitt or WRCA was second in FV they would have beaten WRCA or Pitt, meaning WRCA or Pitt is 3rd out of FV)
Then WRCA or Pitt will be 5th

And after that I'm too lazy.

Cowichan has also been eliminated, as they lost to Oak Bay and are now on the consolation side of the Island draw.

I agree with your reasoning except for one thing. If things go to form in the Valley, assuming that Yale wins, the loser of WRCA/Pitt will NOT be seeded as high as 5. That team will probably end up 7, because the winner from the Island will be seeded higher, as well as the winner from Howe Sound. Also, South Kam will probably be seeded higher. So, let's assume Yale wins, and the seedings will probably be as follows :

1. Yale
2. VC
3. Winner of WRCA / Pitt
4. South Kam
5. Winner of Island
6. Argyle
7. Loser of WRCA / Pitt
8. Byrne Creek
9. Island # 2
10. Winner Tupper / Burnaby South
11. Terry Fox
12. Carson Graham
13. Island # 3
14. Loser Tupper / Burnaby South
15. FV # 5
16. Team A
17. FV # 6
18. Team B
19. Fv # 7
20. Team C

Teams A, B, and C are from the group of :

North Central 1 berth
North West 1 berth
Kootenay 1 berth

Anyways, thats how I see it playing out, but it would all change if Yale loses to either Fox or the winner of Pitt/WRCA.

Agreed with everything.

Except Cowichan has not been eliminated yet, look at the boys website http://www.bcboysbasketball.com/leagues/custom_page.cfm?clientID=2192&leagueID=5301&pageID=7619

If Cowichan wins that game 6 they can win game 9 potentially and then be playing in the 3rd/4th game.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:56 am

snaked wrote:


Agreed with everything.

Except Cowichan has not been eliminated yet, look at the boys website http://www.bcboysbasketball.com/leagues/custom_page.cfm?clientID=2192&leagueID=5301&pageID=7619

If Cowichan wins that game 6 they can win game 9 potentially and then be playing in the 3rd/4th game.

My bad, I didn't realize that the Island has a backdoor playdown.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:43 pm

How can they justify putting the Island winner fifth when if it's Claremont they have are ranked ninth right now...
And how could they put Argyle sixth if they're ranked fourteenth right now...regardless of winning the Howe Sound.

Yale wins, Pitt gets second in FV, and WRCA gets third...can't they still be seeded very high...all three I mean? Because they're ranked below each other in the rankings, it makes sense if that's how they finish. They're 1, 3, and 5...if they finish 1, 2, 3 in the FV then the rankings are correct and why couldn't they each get a very high seed?
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:56 pm

snaked wrote:
How can they justify putting the Island winner fifth when if it's Claremont they have are ranked ninth right now...
And how could they put Argyle sixth if they're ranked fourteenth right now...regardless of winning the Howe Sound.

Yale wins, Pitt gets second in FV, and WRCA gets third...can't they still be seeded very high...all three I mean? Because they're ranked below each other in the rankings, it makes sense if that's how they finish. They're 1, 3, and 5...if they finish 1, 2, 3 in the FV then the rankings are correct and why couldn't they each get a very high seed?

Two years ago, when Yale won Provincials, they won the Valley, Pitt was 2nd and WRCA was 3rd.
Yale was seeded 2nd in the provincials, Pitt was 5th, and WRCA was 8th.

Both Handsworth (7th) and Kelowna (4th) were seeded higher than WRCA, even though WRCA had been seeded # 1 in the Valey, and was ranked # 4 in the Province.

Generally, the top 6 or 7 seeds are as follows :

Lower Mainland - 1 or 2, depending on strength
Fraser Valley - 2
Okanagon - 1
Island - 1
Howe Sound - 1

The second team from the Valley or Lower Mainland will only be seeded in the 3 or 4 spot if they are ranked very high, which is the case this year. However, the 3rd team from the Valley would probably not get higher than 7th, but should get the 7 seed, as I am sure that the commitee does not want teams from the same zone playing each other in the quarters, if possible. So, if the Valley has # 1, I doubt that either 8 or 9 will be from the Valley, and I doubt 7 will be Lower Mainland, as that would have 7 playing against VC.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:46 am

Here are the final rankings for AAA; teams in bold have qualified, teams in struck out have been eliminated, teams left alone are still up in the air:

Current/Team/Previous

1. Yale (Abbotsford) (1)
2. Vancouver College (2)
3. Pitt Meadows (3)
4. Burnaby South (4)
5. White Rock Christian (7)
6. South Kamloops (8th)

7. St. George's (Vancouver) (T5)
8. Mt. Boucherie (Kelowna) (T9)

T9. Sir Charles Tupper (Vancouver) (13)
T9. Cowichan (Duncan) (11)
11. Kitsilano (Vancouver) (T5)
12. Dover Bay (Nanaimo) (T9)
13. Fleetwood Park (Surrey) (12)
14. Argyle (North Vancouver) (HM)
15. WJ Mouat (Abbotsford) (15)

Honourable mention
HM Byrne Creek (Burnaby) (HM)
HM Centennial (Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Claremont (Victoria) (HM)
HM Delta (HM)
HM Heritage Woods (Port Moody) (14)
HM Oak Bay (Victoria) (HM)
HM Terry Fox (Port Coquitlam) (HM)
HM Walnut Grove (Langley) (HM)

Others making it but not ranked:

Carson Graham
Mt. Baker
North Peace
Caledonia


From the Lower Mainland:

VC beat Byrne Creek for 1st/2nd
Tupper beat Burnaby South in 3rd/4th game

All 4 have qualified
Burnaby Mtn eliminated Kitsilano earlier and then B. South eliminated Burnaby Mtn.

From the FV:

Pitt lost to WRCA in one semifinal
Yale beat Terry Fox in the other semifinal
Mouat lost to Walnut Grove in a consolation semifinal
Delta beat Clayton Heights in the other consolation semifinal

Yale is playing WRCA for 1st/2nd in the FV tonight.

Yale, Terry Fox, Pitt, WRCA had already all punched their tickets. Walnut Grove and Delta will be playing in the 5th/6th game, they've made BC's. Mouat and Clayton Heights will battle it out for that last spot.

The top 7 out of these 8 qualify for AAAs
Walnut Grove eliminated Fleetwood Park. Delta eliminated Centennial. Centennial had eliminated Heritage Woods earlier.

From the Howe Sound:

Argyle won. 1st in the Howe Sound. Carson Graham came 2nd.

Both teams have qualified for AAAs.

From the Island:

Dover Bay and Oak Bay are playing for 1st/2nd, they've punched their tickets to AAAs.
Stelly's is playing Belmont in a consolation semi. Claremont and Cowichan are dueling in the other semi. The winners from this advance to the 3rd/4th place game.

Top 3 teams qualify for AAAs

From the Okanagan:

South Kamloops beat Mt. Boucherie (eliminating them) in the finals.

South Kam has qualified for AAAs.

From the Kootenays:

Mt. Baker has qualified by default.

North Central:

North Peace

North West:

Caledonia


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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:38 pm

Has anyone seen North Peace this year? Just looking at their roster, they've got a 6'9" and 6'5" pair of grade 11 kids...I'm not saying they're good or not, just curious if anyone has seen them this year.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:07 am

Based on my earlier post, this is how I see the draw coming out tomorrow.

1. Yale
2. VC
3. WRCA
4. South Kam
5. Oak Bay
6. Argyle
7. Pitt
8. Byrne Creek
9. Dover Bay
10. Tupper
11. Terry Fox
12. Carson Graham
13. Cowichan
14. Burnaby South
15. Delta
16. Team A
17. Walnut Grove
18. Team B
19. Clayton Heights
20. Team C

Teams A, B, and C are from the group of :

North Central 1 berth
North West 1 berth
Kootenay 1 berth
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:14 am

As I see it

1. Yale
2. VC
3. Oak Bay
4. WRCA
5. Pit Meadows
6. Argyle
7. South Kam
8. Byrne Creek
9. Tupper
10. Terry Fox
11. Dover
12. Burnaby South
13. Cowich
14. Mount Baker
15. Delta
16. Carson
17. Walnut Grove
18. North Peace
19. Clayton Heights
20. Mount Eliizebeth
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:33 am

baseline1 wrote:
As I see it

1. Yale
2. VC
3. Oak Bay
4. WRCA
5. Pit Meadows
6. Argyle
7. South Kam
8. Byrne Creek
9. Tupper
10. Terry Fox
11. Dover
12. Burnaby South
13. Cowich
14. Mount Baker
15. Delta
16. Carson
17. Walnut Grove
18. North Peace
19. Clayton Heights
20. Mount Eliizebeth

If games went according to form, you would have 4 vs 5 in the qtrs, and then 1 vs winner of 4/5 in the semi's. This would be games between the valley teams, so I can't see that part of your prediction being right.

Also, I can't see Oak Bay being that high, as well as South Kam being that low.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:47 pm

Here's how I see the draw

Game 1 W Grove vs Kelly Road
Game 2 Carson vs Mount Eliz
Game 3 Delta vs Cowich
Game 4 Clayton vs Mt Baker

Game 5 Oak Bay vs T Fox
Game 6 Kamloops vs winner 1
Game 7 Byrne Creek vs winner 4
Game 8 Argyle vs Tupper
Game 9 White Rock vs Burnaby South
Game 10 Yale vs winner 2
Game 11 Van College vs winner 3
Game 12 Pitt vs Dover
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:50 pm

baseline1 wrote:
Here's how I see the draw

Game 1 W Grove vs Kelly Road
Game 2 Carson vs Mount Eliz
Game 3 Delta vs Cowich
Game 4 Clayton vs Mt Baker

Game 5 Oak Bay vs T Fox
Game 6 Kamloops vs winner 1
Game 7 Byrne Creek vs winner 4
Game 8 Argyle vs Tupper
Game 9 White Rock vs Burnaby South
Game 10 Yale vs winner 2
Game 11 Van College vs winner 3
Game 12 Pitt vs Dover

You are contradicting yourself. In your last post, you had the seedings as follows :

1. Yale
2. VC
3. Oak Bay
4. WRCA
5. Pit Meadows
6. Argyle
7. South Kam
8. Byrne Creek
9. Tupper
10. Terry Fox
11. Dover
12. Burnaby South
13. Cowich
14. Mount Baker
15. Delta
16. Carson
17. Walnut Grove
18. North Peace
19. Clayton Heights
20. Mount Eliizebeth

The top 4 seeds play their first game against the winners of games 1 - 4, yet you had Oak Bay seeded 3rd, but playing against Terry Fox. You also had WRCA seeded 4th, but playing Burnaby South in their 1st game.
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PostSubject: Provincials Draw   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:06 pm

This link has the draw.

http://www.bcboysbasketball.com/leagues/2192/graphics/2010AAADraw.pdf

seedings look to be as follows

1. Yale
2. VC
3. WRCA
4. Pitt Meadows
5. Oak Bay
6. Argyle
7. South Kam
8. Byrne Creek
9. Terry Fox
10. Dover Bay
11. Tupper
12. Delta
13. Bby South
14. Walnut Grove
15. Clayton Heights
16. Carson Graham
17. Cowichan
18. Mt. Baker
19. North Peace
20. Caledonia
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:06 pm

hey

i rethought my position from earlier. Just trying to create some discusion before the draw comes out
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:16 pm

wow
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:34 pm

baseline1 wrote:
wow

Wow is right. It sure looks like they want to make Yale work for it.

Potential games for Yale to get to the finals would be :

1st - Cowichan or Carson Graham
2nd - Byrne Creek or Fox
3rd - Pitt or Oak Bay

I am amazed that 3 out of the top 4 seeds are from the Valley, usually they put a bit more emphasis on the winners of the smaller zones, like Howe Sound, Okanogan, or the Island.

Potential quarter final games -

game 19 - WRCA vs Tupper
game 20 - VC vs Kamloops
game 21 - Yale vs Byrne Creek or Fox
game 21 - Pitt vs Oak Bay

Thursday night is gonna be awesome
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:24 pm

Yay, I was right about the Valley getting top billing. Cookie for me.

Anyways, so Bby. South is going to be playing North West to start? Their opponent isn't on there...and despite that Bby. South came 4th out of the LM that is still going to be a tough first round game for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Provincial Tittle   Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:50 pm

Why isn't Adams Obakpee on Dover Bay's roster??? He was on the U16 Prov team this past summer...says he is from Dover Bay...but...
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