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PostSubject: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:40 pm

My New Projected BC AAAA Top 10 for the start of 2014 (as of Game Results after Jan.05, 2014)

My New Rank for 2014; Team; (Current Province Rank); Record vs. BC comp.

1. Walnut Grove (1) 12-0
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Gleneagle(x2), Pitt Meadows, Claremont, Yale, Terry Fox
No Losses

2. Sir Winston Churchill (3) 9-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Holy Cross, Bby South, Kelowna, Terry Fox, Sardis
Loss vs. Bby South

3. Holy Cross (10) 10-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Gleneagle, Pitt Meadows, Vancouver College
Loss vs. Churchill

4. Sardis (7) 13-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Kelowna, Delta, Bby South, Gleneagle
Loss vs. Churchill

5. Gleneagle (2) 9-4
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Pitt Meadows, Tamanawis
Loss vs. Walnut Grove(x2), Holy Cross, Sardis

6. Tamanawis (4) 5-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
No Key Wins vs. BC comp.
Losses vs. WJ Mouat, Gleneagle

7. Claremont (HM) 10-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Yale, Terry Fox, Vancouver College
Loss vs. Walnut Grove

8. Pitt Meadows (6) 11-4
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. WJ Mouat
Loss vs. Kelowna, Gleneagle, Walnut Grove, Holy Cross

9. Terry Fox (8 ) 6-4
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Vancouver College, Bby South, Delta
Loss vs. WJ Mouat, Churchill, Claremont, Walnut Grove

10. Yale (10) 5-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Bby South
Losses vs. Claremont, Walnut Grove

HM-11. WJ Mouat (9) 6-3
Win vs. Tamanawis, Delta
Loss vs. Pitt Meadows, North Surrey, DP Todd

HM-12. Bby South (5) 4-4
Win vs. Vancouver College, Churchill
Losses vs. Churchill, Yale, Fox, Sardis

HM-13. Kelowna (HM) 5-2
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Churchill, Sardis

HM-14. Delta (HM) 3-3
No Key Wins
Losses vs. WJ Mouat, Sardis, Terry Fox

HM-T15. St. George's (HM) 2-2
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Walnut Grove, Churchill

HM-T15. Vancouver College (HM) 6-7
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Terry Fox, Bby South, Oak Bay, Holy Cross, Lambrick Park, Claremont, SMU


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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:46 pm

JesusShuttlesworth wrote:

10. Yale (10) 5-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Bby South
Losses vs. Yale, Walnut Grove

They lost to themselves!  Razz 

After the Legal Beagle and TAM/SWC on Saturday the top 10 will definitely be shaken up.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:51 pm

Coach Yash wrote:
JesusShuttlesworth wrote:

10. Yale (10) 5-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Bby South
Losses vs. Yale, Walnut Grove

They lost to themselves!  Razz 

After the Legal Beagle and TAM/SWC on Saturday the top 10 will definitely be shaken up.

Thanks Yash, I've updated above, the loss was to "Claremont"

Agreed after this week, the top teams should be more clear as 9 out of my top 15 are playing in the Beagle, and as you note Tammy and Churchill play at Langara on Saturday.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:02 pm

My New Projected BC AAAA Top 10 (as of Game Results after Jan.12, 2014)
(Unofficial)

My Current Rank; Team; (Current Province Rank); Record vs. BC comp.

1. Gleneagle (9) 12-4
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Pitt Meadows, Tamanawis, Walnut Grove, Holy Cross
Loss vs. Walnut Grove(x2), Holy Cross, Sardis

2. Walnut Grove (1) 16-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Gleneagle(x2), Pitt Meadows, Claremont, Yale(x2), Terry Fox(x2)
Loss vs. Gleneagle

3. Tamanawis (3) 7-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Churchill
Losses vs. WJ Mouat, Gleneagle

4. Sir Winston Churchill (2) 12-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Holy Cross, Bby South, Kelowna, Terry Fox, Sardis
Losses vs. Bby South, Tamanawis

5. Holy Cross (4) 13-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Gleneagle, Pitt Meadows, Bby South, Terry Fox
Losses vs. Churchill, Gleneagle

6. Claremont (6) 10-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Yale, Terry Fox
Loss vs. Walnut Grove

7. Sardis (7) 13-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Kelowna, Delta, Bby South, Gleneagle
Losses vs. Churchill, WJ Mouat

8. Pitt Meadows (5) 12-4
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. WJ Mouat
Loss vs. Kelowna, Gleneagle, Walnut Grove, Holy Cross

9. Terry Fox (8 ) 7-6
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Bby South, Delta, Kelowna
Loss vs. WJ Mouat, Churchill, Claremont, Walnut Grove(x2), Holy Cross

T10. Bby South (T10) 8-5
Win vs. Churchill, WJ Mouat, Yale
Losses vs. Churchill, Yale, Fox, Sardis, Holy Cross

T10. WJ Mouat (T10) 8-5
Win vs. Tamanawis, Delta, Sardis, Kelowna
Loss vs. Pitt Meadows, North Surrey, DP Todd, Bby South, Yale

HM. MEI (HM) 11-2
Win vs. Yale
Losses vs. Terry Fox, Sardis

HM. Yale (HM) 6-5
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Bby South, WJ Mouat
Losses vs. Claremont, Walnut Grove, MEI, Walnut Grove, Bby South

HM. Kelowna (HM) 9-4
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Churchill, Sardis, Terry Fox, WJ Mouat

HM. Delta (-) 6-4
No Key Wins
Losses vs. WJ Mouat, Sardis, Terry Fox, Handsworth

HM. St. George's (HM) 3-2
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Walnut Grove, Churchill
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:27 pm

I just don't think you can move Gleneagle all the way up from 9 to 1. I would put Tamanawis as the new #1 team as they beat #2 WC and #1 WG lost.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:38 pm

ebe wrote:
I just don't think you can move Gleneagle all the way up from 9 to 1. I would put Tamanawis as the new #1 team as they beat #2 WC and #1 WG lost.

Ebe I understand your point, this is all debatable and arguable for what spots teams will end up at, by from my personal point of view, watching most of these teams play, after this last week, the Talons look like the #1 team in BC, that's just my personal opinion. Tamanawis got the W vs. Churchill, but struggled to really pull away, and that was a Bulldog squad playing wihtout Mindy Minhas. Gleneagle had hard fought but convincing victories over Walnut Grove and Holy Cross on back to back nights, very good wins, there losses aside from those to Grove have been to Sardis and Cross that went to the last possession, and Gleneagle also convincingly defeated Tamanawis a few weeks back. Again this Top 10 is my own personal "Unofficial" ranking, and I post it just for this reason, to hear everyones point of view and thoughts on the top BC 4A Bc teams.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:37 pm

JesusShuttlesworth wrote:
ebe wrote:
I just don't think you can move Gleneagle all the way up from 9 to 1. I would put Tamanawis as the new #1 team as they beat #2 WC and #1 WG lost.

Ebe I understand your point, this is all debatable and arguable for what spots teams will end up at, by from my personal point of view, watching most of these teams play, after this last week, the Talons look like the #1 team in BC, that's just my personal opinion. Tamanawis got the W vs. Churchill, but struggled to really pull away, and that was a Bulldog squad playing wihtout Mindy Minhas. Gleneagle had hard fought but convincing victories over Walnut Grove and Holy Cross on back to back nights, very good wins, there losses aside from those to Grove have been to Sardis and Cross that went to the last possession, and Gleneagle also convincingly defeated Tamanawis a few weeks back. Again this Top 10 is my own personal "Unofficial" ranking, and I post it just for this reason, to hear everyones point of view and thoughts on the top BC 4A Bc  teams.

Ebe and J, what if we leave WG as number 1 for now and just shift 2 to 5 around ? In my opinion, WG shouldn't get dropped from 1 just because they lost to Gleneagle.  

1. WG
2. Gleneagle
3. Tammy
4. WC
5. HC
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:10 pm

Tammy as #1? They've had one key victory in a close game against Churchill who was without their star player Minhas. Gleneagle was the top team at the Beagle but they did not beat Walnut Grove convincingly. Grove had a double digit lead and it was a 1 point game with less than 2 minutes to play. Grove looked tired from their bout with Yale earlier in the day and Gleneagle looked like the more energized team in the 2nd half. In Gleneagle's victory over HC Kongbo left at half-time and another big was absent and Henry and Browne spent a lot of the game on the bench in foul trouble.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:08 pm

They had no problem moving Gleneagle from #2 to #9 ??? why not the oppposite.

That drop seemed a little strange to me anyways as there were many teams they had beaten.  Claremont, Tamanawis, Pitt....to name a few

I have to agree with Jesus...aside from Walnut Grove their only losses were to HC and Sardis...both final possession, one in OT.  Remember this is a 9 man squad and they played without two starters in both of these losses as well. Their big man Grant Galbraith also spent much of the time in their first HC game on the bench in foul trouble. Part of the game, so teammates leaving and players in foul trouble is only an excuse.

I wouldnt say Grove drops out of number one with one loss....however, Talons are definately #2...


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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:19 am

Remember rankings are not a true indication of who is #1 as they are more of a reflection, partially on the overall season, but more importantly the most recent results.
I will give you an example with my own Palmer team in the AA rankings. We were at #3 and we beat the #1 and #2 teams so obviously we move up to #1. However I can honestly say that at that time we were really not the #1 AA team in BC. When we played Lambrick Park they were missing their 6'9" center and SMU was also missing a key player. However we won the games so we moved up. On Tuesday we lost to #10 MacNeill and even though we were missing one of our best players it doesn't matter we had to be dropped down in the rankings.

For the AAAA rankings if the #1 team loses they have to drop this is a general rule on most rankings that are done anywhere. Since the #2 lost it is not outrageous to move up the #3 team to the #1 spot as they did not lose. Gleneagle should get a big bump for beating the #1 team but again most rankings usually don't let a team move up or down more than 5 spots. Why Gleneagle dropped so big to #9 I do not know.

Remember rankings are intended to create interest and debate about who people think should be ranked. Clearly the rankings are accomplishing this so keep up the arguments and debate that what makes it fun.
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PostSubject: Very good analysis Ebe. Rankings are fun, but not a definitive indication of how the best teams stack up. They reflect who is playing well at any one time and, to get to No. 1, a team usually has to be playing well for awhile.   Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:32 pm

ebe wrote:
Remember rankings are not a true indication of who is #1 as they are more of a reflection, partially on the overall season, but more importantly the most recent results.
I will give you an example with my own Palmer team in the AA rankings. We were at #3 and we beat the #1 and #2 teams so obviously we move up to #1. However I can honestly say that at that time we were really not the #1 AA team in BC. When we played Lambrick Park they were missing their 6'9" center and SMU was also missing a key player. However we won the games so we moved up. On Tuesday we lost to #10 MacNeill and even though we were missing one of our best players it doesn't matter we had to be dropped down in the rankings.

For the AAAA rankings if the #1 team loses they have to drop this is a general rule on most rankings that are done anywhere. Since the #2 lost it is not outrageous to move up the #3 team to the #1 spot as they did not lose. Gleneagle should get a big bump for beating the #1 team but again most rankings usually don't let a team move up or down more than 5 spots. Why Gleneagle dropped so big to #9 I do not know.

Remember rankings are intended to create interest and debate about who people think should be ranked. Clearly the rankings are accomplishing this so keep up the arguments and debate that what makes it fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:55 pm

ebe wrote:

Remember rankings are intended to create interest and debate about who people think should be ranked. Clearly the rankings are accomplishing this so keep up the arguments and debate that what makes it fun.

Exactly, if we all thought the same way, life would be boring, its the debate and differing views that create excitement.
Gleneagle has two very tough games this week, in League play they face-off with Valley rival Terry Fox today, and on Thursday they take on the top tier Churchill Bulldogs at the Pitt Air Show (Not sure of the status on Mindy Minhas on that game tho) If the Talons get through the week without a L it will be another impressive week for the Coquitlam squad. When the Talons can keep their top players on the court (barring foul trouble or injury) they are in my opinion the most dangerous team in BC, with excellent guards in Bailey, Scott and Parker, an inside/out wing in Sparks-Guest and 'arguably' the best big man in BC/Canada in Galbraith.
Walnut Grove has bar none the best player in BC in Cohee, while Derton has been an excellent/reliable 2nd option for the Gators, its the Gators role players that make them a top team this season, all are hard-working grinders who fill their roles, play relentless defense and make open shots, Coach Bergen does a great job with his boys who I believe are the best defensive team in the province.
Tamanawis is a team I cannot get a read on, seems they have played more games in the US than in BC so I have not seen them play aside from there losses to Mouat and Gleneagle. I believe the Wildcats guard play will be the catalyst for this squad to reach its potential, when Sukh Bains ends up being the primary ball-handler, scorer and set-up man, it makes Tammy easy to defend, but when there two guards are going running the show, and Bains is working in the flow of the offense then they are truly dangerous.
Churchill is probably the most offensively talented team in the Province, so many weapons, and with Mindy hurt, many of the young Gr.10's have stepped up Liu, Ugoalah, Pajayon, Virk along with Gr.11 Gary Minhas have lit up the scoreboard in Mindy's absence and should only prove to make the team better in the long run. No lead is safe when the Bulldogs get on a run which makes them as good as any team in BC.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:14 pm

In my opinion, the top 10 teams in the province are

1. Grove
2. Churchill
3. Gleneagle
4. Holy Cross
5. Tammy
6. Sardis
7. Claremont
8. Fox
9. Yale
10. South/Pitt

Here is my reasoning.

I have Grove at #1 because I believe they shouldn't have dropped from #1 after the Beagle. They're 17-1 and have consistently been beating ranked teams.  I don't see how one loss to Gleneagle would drop them down. Churchill is deservedly at #2 because they have been just dominating lately. The fact that they only lost by 3 points to Tamanawis without Mindy Minhas is applaudable in my opinion. The #3,4,5 is what I struggled with in my rankings.  I put Gleneagle at #3 despite losing to Churchill and Heritage Woods this past weekend. I believe this team is for real and although the loss to Heritage Woods is not a good sign, I doubt it would happen again if the teams played. (Props to Heritage woods as well. They are a young and hardworking team)  Tamanawis is at #5 on my list because I don't believe they have really done anything that warrants them receiving a top 3 spot.  One key win against Churchill doesn't give them enough leverage to be put above teams like Holy Cross and Walnut Grove in my opinion. Yale moved up to #9 on my list, and I'm sure anybody who's seen them play recently would agree with my that they're legit. Every player on their starting 5 is a viable scoring threat and they play extremely well together. They've put together some nice games in the Beagle and Snowball.

These are what I feel the rankings should be. (not what I'm predicting them to be)


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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:13 pm

Won't quibble too much with your ranking - looks pretty good to me based on what I have seen and heard.

For me, ultimately team depth becomes most critical down stretch (no surprise here). Top teams with bench strength can still win if stars get hurt or get into foul trouble. Recent Gleneagle loss to Heritage Woods is evidence of this (no dis-respect to an extremely hard working and talented HW team who I think would easily be in top 10 if they had a big man to help out). Top Teams that lack depth can still win big games and even championship but they just can't afford bad luck.

To date, I would have to say that Churchill looks deepest. This team will also be strong for a few years to come with the number of highly talented grade 10s on their roster.

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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:20 pm

PressThis wrote:
Won't quibble too much with your ranking - looks pretty good to me based on what I have seen and heard.

For me, ultimately team depth becomes most critical down stretch (no surprise here).  Top teams with bench strength can still win if stars get hurt or get into foul trouble.  Recent Gleneagle loss to Heritage Woods is evidence of this (no dis-respect to an extremely hard working and talented HW team who I think would easily be in top 10 if they had a big man to help out).  Top Teams that lack depth can still win big games and even championship but they just can't afford bad luck.

To date, I would have to say that Churchill looks deepest.  This team will also be strong for a few years to come with the number of highly talented grade 10s on their roster.  


I completely agree. Reminds me of WRCA last year. Not much depth at all, but almost ended up winning it all.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:31 pm

My New Projected BC AAAA Top 10 (as of Game Results after Jan.19, 2014)
(Unofficial)

My Current Rank; Team; (Current Province Rank); Record vs. BC comp.

1. Walnut Grove (3) 17-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Gleneagle(x2), Pitt Meadows, Claremont, Yale(x2), Terry Fox(x2), MEI
Loss vs. Gleneagle

2. Sir Winston Churchill (4) 17-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. St. George's, Holy Cross, Bby South, Kelowna, Terry Fox, Sardis, Gleneagle, Pitt Meadows
Losses vs. Bby South, Tamanawis

3. Tamanawis (2) 11-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Churchill
Losses vs. WJ Mouat, Gleneagle

4. Holy Cross (5) 16-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Gleneagle, Pitt Meadows, Bby South, Terry Fox
Losses vs. Churchill, Gleneagle

5. Gleneagle (1) 13-6
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Pitt Meadows, Tamanawis, Walnut Grove, Holy Cross, Terry Fox
Loss vs. Walnut Grove(x2), Holy Cross, Sardis, Churchill, Heritage Woods

6. Claremont (7) 12-1
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Yale, Terry Fox
Loss vs. Walnut Grove

7. Sardis (Cool 15-2
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Kelowna, Delta, Bby South, Gleneagle, Yale
Losses vs. Churchill, WJ Mouat

8. Pitt Meadows (6) 14-5
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. WJ Mouat
Loss vs. Kelowna, Gleneagle, Walnut Grove, Holy Cross, Churchill

9. Terry Fox (HM) 8-7
Key Win/Loss this season:
Wins vs. Bby South, Delta, Kelowna
Loss vs. WJ Mouat, Churchill, Claremont, Walnut Grove(x2), Holy Cross, Gleneagle

10. Yale (10) 8-7
Key Win/Loss this season:
Win vs. Bby South(x2), WJ Mouat
Losses vs. Claremont, Walnut Grove, MEI, Walnut Grove, Bby South, WJ Mouat, Sardis

HM. WJ Mouat (HM) 12-6
Win vs. Tamanawis, Delta, Sardis, Kelowna, St. George's, Yale
Loss vs. Pitt Meadows, North Surrey, DP Todd, Bby South, Yale, Vancouver College

HM. Bby South (9) 11-6
Win vs. Churchill, WJ Mouat, Yale
Losses vs. Churchill, Yale(x2), Fox, Sardis, Holy Cross

HM. MEI (HM) 12-5
Win vs. Yale, Kelowna
Losses vs. Terry Fox, Sardis, Walnut Grove, Vancouver College, Abbotsford Sr.

HM. Kelowna (HM) 10-5
Win vs. St. George's
Losses vs. Churchill, Sardis, Terry Fox, WJ Mouat, MEI

HM. St. George's (HM) 4-4
No Key Wins
Losses vs. Walnut Grove, Churchill, WJ Mouat, Kelowna


NOTES for the past week:

Gleneagle had a very good win in league play vs. Terry Fox, looked confident and assured on the court after the Beagle win. Glen vs. Churchill on the other hand was a bit of a head scratcher, it was a back and forth game to start, but with the Bulldogs clearly controlling the pace and tempo of the game, as the 2nd and 3rd quarters proceeded, Churhcill began to really pull away building a comfortable 20 pt lead going into the last qtr., as a side note both Talon bigs DSG and GG were benched for much of this game, no foul trouble, I guess Coach Scott felt they weren't working hard out there (I found out later that GG may have gotten injured during the game), but the one match-up that clearly favored Glen was in the front court and having those two quality players on the bench did not do them any favors in trying to garner a victory. Brenden Bailey almost single-handily brought Glen back in the 4th displaying great speed and pressure on the court as the Bulldogs fell asleep with the big lead to make this game close. As I've said before Gleneagle has a potent and talented starting 5 but if any players especially GG should be injured they are in trouble as depth is not a strength for them, which was the case vs. Heritage where GG did not play.

Churchill continues to look very formidable, balanced scoring and great depth are very big strengths for this squad, Mindy Minhas returned to the Churchill line-up this week for the Pitt Air Show and along with younger brother Gary Minhas were putting a 'Minhas Bros." show, the deepest offensive squad in BC had mostly comfortable wins vs. great competition (Gleneagle, Tupper, Cowichan, Pitt) on there way to the Air Show championship.

Tamanawis and Holy Cross each finished the week with good Tournament victories in the RCMP and Catholic Championships respectively. Not much to say as competition in either tournament was not very strong with no other AAAA ranked teams in either draw but good wins nonetheless.

Sardis had a solid run in the Snowball making it to the Final vs. Ont powerhouse Father Henry Carr after defeating Yale and host team Abby Sr. Sardis loss to FHC by under 20 pts which is solid after seeing FHC beat their previous opponents by 32 and 58.

Pitt Meadows big man Graham Smith was named MVP of the Pitt Air Show, leading the Marauders to the final but eventually losing to the much deeper Churchill Bulldogs team. Graham Smith has been an absolute beast in the post this season, his vision, footwork and touch around the rim puts him on the list for top big in BC and as a Gr.11 he will only continue to dominate the paint for Goulet into next season.

WJ Mouat played the week without Tristan Etienne who is out with an on-going injury.

Bby South played the week mostly without Jermaine Haley (Haley did play vs. FHC but was clearly hobbled and not close to full strength) who is out with an on-going injury.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:47 pm

I have been watching quietly few key games and tried to do a ranking. But unable to. I thought I would do a rather a generic ranking for the big dance. Many may dismiss this as too early.

Potential 6 out of 9 FV teams to LEC:

1. WG
2. Gleneagles
3. Sardis
4. HC
5  Pitt
6. Mouat
7. Tammy
8, Fox
9. Yale

I can say confidently no team is a lock to the LEC. Any team can beat any team this year in FV (at least amongst the top 4).

Coming to big dance, here comes a shocker and many would consider this is an outrageous prediction and will dismiss in a second.

Who ever comes out of FV will be losing to Churchill this year. The banner goes to Vancouver this year.   Here is my reasoning, no teams have the muscle nor ability to shield the firing power of Churchill. There is lot of praise for WG defense but it is good for the regular season and that is it. There are abundance of coaching brains in BC and they will easily figure it out.  Minhas brothers and others will be raining all day. Guys who are deeply into the day to day results wont agree with me but take a step back and assess the strengths of each team which I did, to come up with Churchill.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:15 am

Bold prediction. I think one of the reasons FV teams have been doing so well at provincials is because they are battle tested going into the tourney by going through such a tough regional playoff. A number of schools like Sardis and Mouat have stepped their game and program up recently just due to the sheer competition, they have to adapt and improve, or die in that environment.

I don't think Churchill is going to have as tough a road to the provincials, only South could give them some trouble in the Lower mainland. In the end, with so many grade 10's, you never know how they might react going up against tough seniors who have been there. Their time will come, probably even next year, but I don't think it will happen for them right now.

My pick to go all the way would be Holy Cross. Kongbo jumped ship at exactly the right time.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:11 pm

hard2thehole, I respect your prediction and accept your stand that Churchill's path to LEC is less tougher than their FV counterparts.

My back up argument for Churchill is these guys have logged in more games in WA since grade 7 and many of them been through the rigors already. They wont flinch at the clutch at all. If you recall Churchill last year game vs Grove at LEC, in spite of all their studs, WG was unable to stop Mindy and barely able to beat them. If I am not wrong, their loss was with 10 points. Not saying last year Churchill team is weaker by any standard but this year they will be even more prepared. If Grove and Churchill meets, I would take Churchill on any day with no disrespect to Jadon who will have his regular 40++ anyway. Churchill is more stronger and physical and will prevail over the peskiness of WG at the end. The only team that will give trouble to them is Gleneagles. IMO. either WG or Gleneagles have a better chance of giving good fight to Churchill than HC .
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:40 pm

Good points on all accounts, it's a pick'em, anyone has a shot. Sardis is looking real good in the Valley, who with Walnut Grove, Holy Cross and Tamanawis would be my top 4 from the Valley. Gleneagle big Grant Galbraith's injury is a big concern with the Talons along with WJ Mouat big Tristan Etienne's on-going injury, both squads will need their big men at full strength to compete with the top Valley contenders. Churchill looks great right now, balanced scoring, good depth, and a go-to scorer in Mindy Minhas, this weekend they should re-match Tamanawis at the Delta Tourney final barring any upsets and it will be telling to see the outcome with both teams playing their full rosters. Hard for me to have a prediction as the Provincials are still 8 weeks away, a long time where teams can heat up, cool down, or key injuries could occur, but my top 5 right now would have to be Grove, Churchill, Tammy, Holy Cross and Sardis in that order.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:44 pm

JesusShuttlesworth wrote:
Good points on all accounts, it's a pick'em, anyone has a shot. Sardis is looking real good in the Valley, who with Walnut Grove, Holy Cross and Tamanawis would be my top 4 from the Valley. Gleneagle big Grant Galbraith's injury is a big concern with the Talons along with WJ Mouat big Tristan Etienne's on-going injury, both squads will need their big men at full strength to compete with the top Valley contenders. Churchill looks great right now, balanced scoring, good depth, and a go-to scorer in Mindy Minhas, this weekend they should re-match Tamanawis at the Delta Tourney final barring any upsets and it will be telling to see the outcome with both teams playing their full rosters. Hard for me to have a prediction as the Provincials are still 8 weeks away, a long time where teams can heat up, cool down, or key injuries could occur, but my top 5 right now would have to be Grove, Churchill, Tammy, Holy Cross and Sardis in that order.

J, We are not too far from each other's prediction. I know too many variables in play but the real fun is to predict when you got too many unknowns.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:30 pm

JLivingston wrote:

J, We are not too far from each other's prediction. Can you nail down your top 5 to potential top finalists? I know too many variables in play but the real kick is to predict when you got too many unknowns.

As of this moment my personal prediction would be a Churchill/Walnut Grove, Holy Cross/Tamanawis Final Four, but like you said there are a lot of variables from now until March. Sardis is my sleeper, if they can even be called that, they have a chance to knock out anyone out of my current top four. Gleneagle and Mouat would be in the equation as well if not for injury concerns and depth.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:09 pm

JesusShuttlesworth wrote:

As of this moment my personal prediction would be a Churchill/Walnut Grove, Holy Cross/Tamanawis Final Four, but like you said there are a lot of variables from now until March. Sardis is my sleeper, if they can even be called that, they have a chance to knock out anyone out of my current top four. Gleneagle and Mouat would be in the equation as well if not for injury concerns and depth.

Seconding Jesus on the final four with Gleneagle as "next in line." Haven't seen Holy Cross play since the Legal Beagle (minus Stan Mad. & Kongbo leaving in finals) but they're about 7 deep and have arguably best backcourt in the province. Would love to see a Holy Cross/Churchill game and as previously stated, Churchill's ability to get 10+ points from 5-7 guys is going to challenging to stop.

Would like to see a full Mouat squad play (post-incident) to see what their status as contenders is like.

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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:37 pm

What a week!!

Seeing some of the key games both at VC and Delta, I am getting a sense of what it is going to be at LEC in March.

1. Churchill - Although they lost out to Tammy, I am still favoring them to win the banner.
2. Tamanawis - This year I see this group is highly motivated and will give run for money to Churchill.
3 - 5 will be HC, Sardis and Gleneagles.
6. Fox - Coach Hanson will bring out the best and will spring surprise in March
7. Mouat - If Tristen plays to his potential, they can beat any team.
8. Yale - High scoring team and really can upset any team. Gill can kill any team if he gets hot.
9. Walnutgrove - Jadon will/can drop 40++on any team and on any day. Home or away. Period. Barring him, I am not impressed with others. Their defense is over hyped and only geared to defend guards smaller than them. They don't have the personnel to defend the likes of Sukh, Mindy, Denver, Eric Rogers, Luke Columbian, Alex Jordache of sizes. Also they can not defend likes of Hayden, Tristen , Grant and other big men at the post. At least I have not seen so far. TBH and IMO, It will be great struggle and Jadon has to bring his best offence to get out of FV.

This is my take upto this week.
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PostSubject: Re: Predictions for new top 10   Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:14 pm

Van College is pushing for some recognition too.
Over the past two weeks they lost by 2 to Burnaby South who were at a rare full strength, beat Mouat by 40, beat St. George's, Pitt and Walnut Grove. Lost a close one to Fox.
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