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PostSubject: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:17 am

Hey,

So I'm a NB basketball fan here, and we usually do alright if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to things like Canada Games and nationals. So why then, don't we see any players making Canada's national teams? I mean, pretty much every other province (except for PEI) has had players on the national team at one point or another. How come no NB athletes are making it?

Thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:04 pm

Lots of possible answers to this question. First of all to be clear we've had players on National teams in the past. I think the most recent played on the CWNT in 2009. Vanessa Pickard who was also a CIS National Freshmen of the Year. Last fall I think we had a player at a National ID camp but that is as far as it went.

Now if you are looking at increasing the frequency with which kids get a try out for and make National level teams there are some issues we could probably address province wide:

- Canada Basketball has an LTAD. As a country we do a great job in certain regions of following some of its elements but no where as a whole provinces let alone a whole country. As a result there is still very much a model similar to American model for players development of simply playing a lot and the best physical speicimens that develop through competition make it to the top. As a small province with rural roots the depth of genetics and amount of quality competition readily available to NB puts them at a disadvantage. More kids signed up for minor basketball in Ottawa then live in NB. If you want want to create an advantage you have to be much more systematic as a province at creating a niche or type of player that Canada basketball wants.

- Similar to the idea that what works in Mini doesn't in middle school and what works in middle school doesn't in High School. What wins in NB is not always what is going to help a kid develop into a National level player. With a few rare exceptions if a player is now going to make a national team from NB they need to be a guard or a perimeter skill based and girls had better be 5'11 or bigger (or ridiculously better then anyone in the country at the 1) and guys had better be 6 foot to 6'4 if they want to play guard. 6'5-6'9 they can probably be a swing. In NB how often are we taking our biggest kids and putting them inside. Better yet lets avoid genetics and positions and talk defense. NB kids don't shoot it well compared to other provinces why? Is it time spent on shooting? AMount of shots? Is it being coached to go get layups or get fouled? Is it because we call a tighter game? We don't develop basic shooting skills in multiple players or a lot of face up skills in general in multiple players per team. You don't need it to win. You just take away their best players and let the others shoot and spend more time getting your best players open. So if you are looking at an athletes long term development what skills and techniques (shooting, face up game, post up game, passing skills, defensive pressure, etc) they need to learn to win in NB schools or associations may be the exact opposite of what they need at the National Level.

- Overcoming genetics/geography. If a kid is coming from NB they are going to be looked at as a very big fish in a small pond. At a tryout or national camp it will probably be the most competitive environment they've ever faced and the steepest competition. Are they good enough to overcome that? Are the physically and mentally prepared to overcome that? If they aren't a front runner coaches are going to have a long list of kids with similar tools in the tool box that may be longer, more athletic, face better competition regularly etc. Does a kid from NB who's the best player in their province want to go and play a way that will allow them to make a roster as a 12 and then try to work their way up? Does their game/attitude/style only translate to being the best player on the court when they aren't now?


- Its not what a lot of kids, associations, parents, and communities want it. While National players themselves are a rare and special commodity. So are the environments that produce them. We've got no street courts where the best kids in cities or millions are going to find each other. So most competition our kids find is driven by parents and coaches. Are they training, teaching, and preparing kids to make provincial and national teams or look out for the kids around them? How many associations and teams do you hear with the goal of getting kids to national teams?

- I guess the best place to start would be the same place I start when a kid complains about playing time. Who are you better than? When you look at National teams who is on those teams? Who do we have in mind from here? Who's spot do we think they should have? Once we know what you can start focusing on what you would have to do to get there.
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:54 am

Interesting points. Do you expect will have a national athlete anytime soon? Anybody you got your eye on?
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:22 am

Not good enough
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:35 am

Basketballjones wrote:
Interesting points. Do you expect will have a national athlete anytime soon? Anybody you got your eye on?

Too many factors to project out. Having depth charts provincially would help.

Basically Identification starts at the u15 nationals and continues after that, but basically if CB hasn't seen you by u15 Nats its going to be until your university career when they will re examine you again.

So there are lots of time and windows for development and most NB players chances for University Games teams, developmental or National teams might be at the older level when the time they have to spend on their game and athletic development can out balance the physical gifts we might be having a short coming.

For an early entry player u16-u17 Cadet teams, basically you would need a NB kid who had a national level physical attribute (size, speed, length, explosiveness) to get them identified and have CB believe they could defend at that level. Then need to figure out how many of that position a team is going need and develop their skill set to match that. Difficulty is as the game becomes more universal preference goes to players who can defend multiple positions which means if you have a speed to play nationally but not length you are going to get looked at as a 1/pg. Now because of interchangeable needs their might only be 2 pure 1's on a roster so you need to be one of the top 2 PG's in the coutnry at your position. Now if you have length or size to play at that level then you would need the skill sets to be able to play multiple positions.

Simplified down to some basic math. If you are under 6 foot guy or girl you had better be the best or in the conversation for best pg in the country. If you are over 6 foot girls and 6'4 plus guy you need to do round out your game and be able to shoot it and defend the perimeter to be able to show interchangeability.

You have 365 days a year and 24 hours a day. From the time you are 15/1630 thats a truck load of time to be able to make a national team if thats you goal but you need to combine some physical gifts that allow you defend at that level with a commitment to your game and competition to be not just the best on your team or in NB but be at that level. Most kids,coaches and families in NB don't see the time and effort to invest as worthwhile or the purpose of youth sport. Primarily why you see more individual sport olympians from NB because they need less support structures, systems or competitors locally to drive them.
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:42 am

So is there anything basketball NB can do to help with these shortcomings ?
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PostSubject: Re: Why doesn't NB have national players?   Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:04 pm

Basketballjones wrote:
Hey,

So I'm a NB basketball fan here, and we usually do alright if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to things like Canada Games and nationals. So why then, don't we see any players making Canada's national teams? I mean, pretty much every other province (except for PEI) has had players on the national team at one point or another. How come no NB athletes are making it?

Thoughts?

I think it is also noteworthy to state that there are more and more provinces not sending their best players to nationals. For example, Ontario's best players play club ball and tour throughout the US for exposure to D1 schools. I believe this is also starting to happen in BC, QC, and maybe even AB.

I think that plays a factor in our recent rankings at nationals, but when it comes to national teams you tend to get some of those club team players. For example, Andrew Wiggins did not play for ON for U15 or U17.
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