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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:40 am

CaBBallDad wrote:
NoFuture wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
NoFuture wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
Ballforlife12345 wrote:
By recruiting players...

You mean you are assuming they recruited players.


"Transfer" from Sugarloaf High School (4 hour drive, player living with another "transfer" who "transferred" last year).
"Transfer" from Sussex High School
"Transfer" From Grand Falls (player who played with coaches son, and is living with the coach).


You still offer no proof that the coach recruited these boys.  And the transfer from Sussex moved here with his family.


I don't really care what they did, but for you to so boldly say it isn't a transfer when you offer no explanation why a player is living with the coach is just absurd.

I didn't say anything about living with the coach because the kid from Sussex isn't living with the coach, his family moved here.

As for the other two, nobody has yet shown that they were actually recruited by the coach.  It could very well be that the kids wanted to play at a larger school because of the higher profile, the larger schools typically offer more academic options, or the family could have simply decided that is what they thought was best for the students.

This also isn't the only school that has students transfer in from other regions with out actually having family live there.  Sometimes it happens even within the same city.  This is not something new.

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.

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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:46 am

CarletonRavens wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
NoFuture wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
NoFuture wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
Ballforlife12345 wrote:
By recruiting players...

You mean you are assuming they recruited players.


"Transfer" from Sugarloaf High School (4 hour drive, player living with another "transfer" who "transferred" last year).
"Transfer" from Sussex High School
"Transfer" From Grand Falls (player who played with coaches son, and is living with the coach).


You still offer no proof that the coach recruited these boys.  And the transfer from Sussex moved here with his family.


I don't really care what they did, but for you to so boldly say it isn't a transfer when you offer no explanation why a player is living with the coach is just absurd.

I didn't say anything about living with the coach because the kid from Sussex isn't living with the coach, his family moved here.

As for the other two, nobody has yet shown that they were actually recruited by the coach.  It could very well be that the kids wanted to play at a larger school because of the higher profile, the larger schools typically offer more academic options, or the family could have simply decided that is what they thought was best for the students.

This also isn't the only school that has students transfer in from other regions with out actually having family live there.  Sometimes it happens even within the same city.  This is not something new.

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.


So is he actually living with family in Fredericton or is he living with the coach? Does anyone know this for sure?
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:43 pm

It does not matter, at least everyone now knows there is nothing that can be done about recruiting or kids switching schools.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:21 pm

Ballforlife12345 wrote:
Yes they are going to cheat and win...it is so sad for a team like MVHS who has worked their whole lives for this year under coach Watters and Leo Hayes cheated and unless they find away to frig it up, will win. It just shows how low that school and their coach is

I wonder if suspensions for gross misconduct on Social media would be "frigging it up"
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:35 pm

CarletonRavens wrote:

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.


So? Do you really think he wouldn't have made the decision to move the day before school started and that he wouldn't make the team?

Seriously, this has been going on for a long time. I went to school in the 70s and it was going on then. It is really starting to sound like people whining about who he decided to play for.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:55 pm

CaBBallDad wrote:
CarletonRavens wrote:

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.


So?  Do you really think he wouldn't have made the decision to move the day before school started and that he wouldn't make the team?

Seriously, this has been going on for a long time.  I went to school in the 70s and it was going on then.  It is really starting to sound like people whining about who he decided to play for.

It is about fair play, it is about teaching our kids the rules of the game, and how not to cheat to win...

LHHS is cheating, the NBIAA is letting it happen. We get it, we can't do anything. It is embarrassing that it is happening at my kid's school.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:26 pm

CaBBallDad wrote:
CarletonRavens wrote:

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.


So?  Do you really think he wouldn't have made the decision to move the day before school started and that he wouldn't make the team?

Seriously, this has been going on for a long time.  I went to school in the 70s and it was going on then.  It is really starting to sound like people whining about who he decided to play for.

Okay. I guess student-athletes receive their uniforms a few months before the season is even allowed to start? I do not consider that normal.

You were clear in demanding 'proof' of activity that seemed to indicate recruitment. Now that you've received it, you've changed your stance to "people whining."

At the end of the day, the object of school sports is to build better people. I hope his coaches are able to do this, for him, and his team mates. On the court, off the court, and through social media.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:33 pm

Give it a rest boys. If you want to win, bring in the studs. Happens in every part of the real world. They found a loop hole in the system. Unless the coach and or parents say the coach recruited them its a done deal.

As far as anyone getting jerseys before school started. Im pretty sure there are a bunch of high school teams running around all summer long playing in BNB events wearing the same school jerseys they will wear this winter.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:35 pm

From the NBIAA Handbook:


Section 4.
Transfer student eligibility:

The intent of this regulation is to prevent recruiting and the transfer of students
for athletic purposes. All transfer students are ineligible for NBIAA activities
until cleared by the NBIAA office. The NBIAA Transfer Form must be
received by the appropriate group before a decision may be rendered.

A students five years of eligibility begins upon entering grade 9. The school at
which a student is registered in Grade 10 shall be the school in which they are
eligible to participate in NBIAA activities for the remaining years of eligibility.
Once a student transfers after establishing their school of eligibility, they are
considered ineligible until approved by the NBIAA. Always check with the
school principal and/or the NBIAA before a student transfers, to determine
whether it will affect their eligibility. Disciplinary actions will follow the
student-athlete to all schools in the province.

I. A student is eligible to participate for an NBIAA member with the exception
of any sport they participated in at their previous school in the current year
if they meet one of the following 6 conditions:

i) Family move: the student has moved with the parent(s)/legal guardian(s)
who has changed residence and resides within the normal boundaries of
the school at which the student has registered. The change of residence
must be made with the intent that it is permanent.

ii) Parent to parent move: the student moves to reside with the parent with
whom they have NOT been living. (The student’s parents are living apart
during the school year). The student has not participated in any NBIAA
activities in the current school year before transferring. Only two such transfers are allowed in a student’s four years of eligibility.

iii) Short term Transfer & Return to Home: the student is transferring from one NBIAA member school to another school for a period of one school year or less for the purpose of playing a non-NBIAA sport activity and did not participated in any NBIAA activities while attending that school.

That student will not be eligible for the sport activity in which they
transferred, with the exception of hockey.

iv)Incoming Exchange or Out of Province Students: the student is
transferring to an NBIAA member school and has not received a high
school diploma.

v) Boarding School Students: the student is transferring from a school
outside of New Brunswick to a NBIAA member boarding school as a
boarder and did not participate in any NBIAA activities. The boarding
school assumes responsibility as the students’ parents have not relocated.
Returning to the parents’ home - the student did not participate in any
NBIAA activities.

vi) District waiting list students: A district waitlist student had transferred
by September 30th. The onus us on the parents to provide supporting
documents from the District or School that the transfer has occurred 3
weeks prior to the fall sports season. The waitlist student may participate
in NBIAA activities prior to transferring, but there is no guarantee that
they will make a team at the new school. If a waiting list transfer occurs
after September 30th, the student will be ineligible until the next season of
play.

II. A transfer student is ineligible to participate for a member school for
forty-five (45) school days from the date of enrolment if :

i) Non-family move: the student transfers without a change of residence
by the parent(s) or legal guardian(s).

ii) Parent to parent move: the student moves to reside with the parent
with whom they have not been living (where a student’s parents are
living apart during the school year) and the student HAS participated in
NBIAA activities during the current school year. Only two such
transfers are allowed in a student’s four years of eligibility.

iii) School to school transfer: the student is transferring from one NBIAA
member school to another school and participated in NBIAA activities at
the previous school.

iv) Boarding School Students: the student is transferring from a New
Brunswick school to a NBIAA member boarding school (boarder or day
student) and HAS participated in NBIAA activities. The student is
transferring back to their parents’ home from a boarding school and
HAS participated in NBIAA activities.

Notes:
1. Once a student has changed schools they are considered a transfer student and
must comply with the NBIAA Transfer Rules.

4-4

BY-LAWS

4-5

2. The word ‘participate’ in these regulations means competing for your school in
an NBIAA activity. This includes practices/try-outs, exhibition games,
tournaments and league play.

3. Students transferring from other provinces, states or countries, who have
graduated from their respective high school programs or equivalent, are
ineligible for NBIAA activities.

4. Transfer students can ONLY be added to an NBIAA team personnel form
after they have been deemed eligible by the NBIAA.

5. In calculating the required forty-five (45) school days, only days of
instruction from Monday to Friday may be counted. Any holidays are not
considered to be “days of instruction”.

Legal Guardian - A legal guardian shall be defined as:

• A person who has been appointed legal guardian of the child by will and
has supported, maintained or cared for the child since the death of the
parent(s) with whom the child was previously residing.

• An adult who is under a legal duty to support or maintain the child under a
court order or under a written agreement and has supported or maintained
the child for the previous twelve (12) months.

• An adult who has signed a Statutory Declaration stating that they consider
themselves to be the parent of the child and who has maintained, cared for
and financially supported the child for the previous twelve (12) months.
A statutory Declaration is a Declaration sworn before a Notary Public or
Commissioner of Oaths, and has the same effect as an oath given in a
courtroom. A declaration is considered to be sworn evidence.

• Boarding School: Where the administration of the school has assumed
legal responsibility of the student while in attendance of their school.
Penalties and Sanctions:

The use of an ineligible player(s) shall cause the team concerned to forfeit all
games and points won in those games in which the player(s) participated. The
Executive Committee may levy additional penalties as it deems appropriate.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:40 pm

O.R. 3 - ELIGIBILITY & RECRUITMENT

3.1 No student may participate in athletics for a school in which they are not
enrolled.

3.2 A sport specific education program allows for sport specific education, training, instruction and/or competition; provides sport skills training in a targeted sport; provides other training/education such as, but not limited to, weight training, sport nutrition, or mental training to support the targeted sport. If this program involves more than 50% of instructional time in one sport, it is considered a sport specific education program. A student is allowed to enrol in a sport specific program for one semester and will remain eligible to compete in that sport with the NBIAA. Once the student enrols in a second sport specific program of that same sport, they become ineligible to participate with the NBIAA for that sport until graduation. 3.3 Insurance becomes available once the player meets the eligibility requirements of the NBIAA. 3.4 The NBIAA strongly condemns any attempt to recruit a student-athlete
into a member school. A recruiting prohibition discourages exploitation of
students: prevents over-emphasis of athletics; gives average student- athletes more opportunity to participate; discourages adults from
jeopardizing a student’s eligibility and prevents misuse of athletic
programs.

1. Definition: recruiting is defined as a representative of a school, either
directly or through another party, encouraging a student to attend a school
other than that in whose catchment area he or she resides, for the purpose
of being involved in extracurricular sport. The school representative could
be a teacher, administrator, school district employee, school employee,
student, parent, alumnus or any person representing themselves as a school
contact.

2. Indicators of Recruiting: there are many legitimate times that a school
representative and/or coach of a school team will be in contact with
students from another school. Therefore, indicators of recruiting have been
developed to provide parameters of behaviour expectations for coaches and
other school representative(s). For brevity, the term “coach” is used, but
the policy applies equally to coaches or any other school representatives as
listed above.

a) a coach shall not initiate contact with any student who does not attend,
or does not directly feed into the coach’s school, in order to suggest,
encourage or explain a transfer to a different school.

b) a coach shall not encourage any other person, including past and present
players, to contact any student to suggest, encourage or explain a
transfer to a different school.

c) a coach shall not permit a student who is not currently enrolled at the
coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the
coach’s school, to participate in team practices or participate in
scheduled team activities (including travel to games/events, team
meetings or trips), unless specifically agreed to by the NBIAA.

d) a coach shall not permit a student who is not currently enrolled at the coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the coach’s school, to attend “open gym” at the coach’s school or attend spring or summer practices, games or camps specifically designated for enrolled students. e) a coach shall not entice a student who is not currently enrolled at the coach’s school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the coach’s school, into transferring to the coach’s school. Examples of the applicable situations are listed below, but are not limited to: i. Providing particular inducements such a preferential accommodation, reduced fees or employment at any camp program ii. allowing the non-enrolled student to accompany the team to a school or team function, or by offering a discounted or special admission to any school function, including team games iii. providing a non-enrolled student with team plans, practice outlines or game plans

iv. providing transportation, equipment, clothing/footwear or financial
inducement in order to facilitate a non-enrolled student’s
involvement in out-of-season contests, leagues, camps, clinics or
related programs

v. inviting or allowing a student who is transferring to the coach’s
school to reside with the coach (and/or coach’s family) who is not
the student’s parent or legal guardian or being financially supported
in anyway by a coach or institution

vi. a coach shall not use an evaluation process from an out-of-season
program or camp to suggest that a student transfer to any other
school other than the one at which he or she is currently enrolled or
into which they will directly feed

f) Student Approaching a Coach: If a coach is approached by any student
who is not enrolled at the coach’s school, or by any student who will
not directly feed into the coach’s school, with questions or comments
regarding any sports program at the coach’s school, the coach must
direct the student to the school administration or school district office.
Once a student has registered at the coach’s school, the coach may
discuss school teams.

g) offering monetary or transportation assistance to a student, parent or
guardian (including fees, tuition, bus passes or other allowances or
waivers). Provided however, that for the purposes of these regulations,
waiver or any fee ordinarily charge to an international student by a
school, shall not necessarily be considered undue influence or
recruitment. Provided further that, when determining whether undue
influence or recruitment exists, the NBIAA Executive shall be entitled
to consider whether such fees are waived for students not involved in
athletic activities.

If a person has knowledge of undue influence or recruitment, as defined
herein and allegedly committed by any other student, coach, teacher,
school staff, or administrative personnel connected with an NBIAA
member school, he/she shall provide written notice of the allegation of
undue influence or recruitment to the Executive Director.

Sanctions and Penalties:

Upon reporting of a recruiting violation in writing and signed by the school Principal to the NBIAA, the Executive Director shall initiate an investigation of the allegations contained in the written notice. The Executive Director will present the written complaint to the school involved and require a written response from the Principal by 4:00 PM of the next business day. Any school staff or administrative personnel of the school involved, who fails or refuses to cooperate with and assist in the investigation conducted by the Executive Director, may result in the team being excluded from all competition or subject to alternative penalties as determined by the NBIAA Executive Committee. Should the investigation result in confirmation of recruiting, the NBIAA Executive committee will review the infraction and sanctions may range from:

1. The player and / or team may be ineligible for participation in NBIAA
provincial playoffs within the same season of play.

2. Be fined up to $1000.00

3. Have the head coach ruled ineligible for participation within the
CURRENT and NEXT season of play.

4. Be subject to any or all of the above mentioned penalties or to alternative
penalties as determined by the NBIAA Executive Committee.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:55 pm

So you can copy and paste?
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:57 pm

looks like huh? Looks like not much gets by you Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:58 pm

CarletonRavens wrote:
CaBBallDad wrote:
CarletonRavens wrote:

Hemphill had his LHHS jerseys in August. He knew he was on the team. He's posted pictures of the jerseys before school even started. Had the jerseys in his hand before even knowing where the Northside of Fredericton is.


So?  Do you really think he wouldn't have made the decision to move the day before school started and that he wouldn't make the team?

Seriously, this has been going on for a long time.  I went to school in the 70s and it was going on then.  It is really starting to sound like people whining about who he decided to play for.

Okay. I guess student-athletes receive their uniforms a few months before the season is even allowed to start? I do not consider that normal.

You were clear in demanding 'proof' of activity that seemed to indicate recruitment. Now that you've received it, you've changed your stance to "people whining."

At the end of the day, the object of school sports is to build better people. I hope his coaches are able to do this, for him, and his team mates. On the court, off the court, and through social media.

He played in a summer tournament in Harvey with a group of kids from Leo Hayes and that was the uniforms they used.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:07 am

I didn't read everything (apparently Baller24 didn't read anything) but things that stood out to me:

A students five years of eligibility begins upon entering grade 9. The school at
which a student is registered in Grade 10 shall be the school in which they are
eligible to participate in NBIAA activities for the remaining years of eligibility.
Once a student transfers after establishing their school of eligibility, they are
considered ineligible until approved by the NBIAA.


d) a coach shall not permit a student who is not currently enrolled at the coach’s
school, or whose present school does not directly feed into the coach’s school, to
attend “open gym” at the coach’s school or attend spring or summer practices, games
or camps specifically designated for enrolled students. e) a coach shall not entice
a student who is not currently enrolled at the coach’s school, or whose present
school does not directly feed into the coach’s school, into transferring to the
coach’s school. Examples of the applicable situations are listed below, but are not
limited to: i. Providing particular inducements such a preferential accommodation,
reduced fees or employment at any camp program ii. allowing the non-enrolled student
to accompany the team to a school or team function, or by offering a discounted or
special admission to any school function, including team games iii. providing a
non-enrolled student with team plans, practice outlines or game plans

v. inviting or allowing a student who is transferring to the coach’s
school to reside with the coach (and/or coach’s family) who is not
the student’s parent or legal guardian or being financially supported
in anyway by a coach or institution
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:37 am

is ne1 even aware if he has a aunt or other family member in fredericton.. ? if i was NBIAA that would b my first investigation..
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:25 pm

Or the NBIAA could see how many current coaches on this gossip column are criticizing kids and other coaches. Sad commentary of the "fans" and leaders of basketball in NB.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:52 am

Backwoodsbball wrote:
Or the NBIAA could see how many current coaches on this gossip column  are criticizing kids and other coaches. Sad commentary of the "fans" and leaders of basketball in NB.

what are you talking about? I am a parent, and at LHHS at that. Cheaters are cheaters... Right now LHHS is a bunch of cheaters... That is how OUR school looks to the rest of the league.

What is this I hear about these same boys on varsity getting suspensions for fighting? Seriously, this team is a disaster.
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:30 pm

Life seems a bit simpler in our Single A school.. we support/volunteer for the players we have instead of criticizing on chat rooms during tough times.. each to their own I guess!
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:50 am

Life seems a bit simpler in our Single A school.. we support/volunteer for the players we have instead of criticizing on chat rooms during tough times.. each to their own I guess!
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:49 am

I know I am in wrong forum but any results out there MVHS/JMH tournament for girls and guys?
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:25 pm

This link has a summary of the boys Miramichi tournament.

http://nbhoops.simplesite.com/430021010
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:08 pm

Why is there no discussion about the girls that left Leo Hayes to play for FHS varsity?
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:29 pm

Because there's not as much interest in the girls
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PostSubject: Re: Top Varsity 2017   Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:34 pm

Nothing really to talk about. We all know there are no rules as far as switching schools now.

This new rule they have where your home school is your school in grade 10 will be tested too and the NBIAA will cave, depending on the schools involved.

Free agent season now for AD's, bring em in from everywhere. Could be kind of fun
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