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PostSubject: Prep schools in Canada   Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:55 pm

Is there anyone out there that can give some insight into the new hype about prep schools in cda. Particularly in BC. Seems most players are overages and from all over the world and yet are classified as high school players. They reclassify. What's that all about? They are getting all this attention because of why? They are then ranked as the best high school players in CDA. But people don't realize they are mostly a year older than the high school kids. LAst I saw was a recent tourney in Langley that promoted the players that were D1 prospects attending this tourney. What about all the players that could play CIS. What is the overall agenda.? Totally about hype
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PostSubject: Re: Prep schools in Canada   Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:02 pm

letboysplay wrote:
Is there anyone out there that can give some insight into the new hype about prep schools in cda. Particularly in BC. Seems most players are overages and from all over the world and yet are classified as high school players. They reclassify. What's that all about? They are getting all this attention because of why? They are then ranked as the best high school players in CDA. But people don't realize they are mostly a year older than the high school kids. LAst I saw was a recent tourney in Langley that promoted the players that were D1 prospects attending this tourney. What about all the players that could play CIS. What is the overall agenda.? Totally about hype
It is not about hype, it is about a level playing field with US players who have been doing this for years. Some US players reclassify as early as elementary school. The idea is to allow players to be a year stronger, faster and more skilled while allowing them to retake courses or SAT's to get better grades to open up more doors to universities that they may not have had the grades to get in after grade 12. Although they still graduate with their class, it is known in some circles as a "Victory Lap" to be better prepared for university life therefore increasing their likelihood of achieving success at university. A very high percentage of pure freshman drop out or change schools because they are not mentally, emotionally or physically ready for the demands of university life and this is a way to bridge this transition. I would suspect that most of these players going to Canadian Prep school would have attended a US Prep school or languished in a public school with less opportunity to develop and get exposure from NCAA or CIS schools and it is one route to getting an education while playing basketball.
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PostSubject: Re: Prep schools in Canada   Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:10 pm

Thanks for the info.  Very informative
I can see the value with the prep school concepts. Allowing these players to develop and mature to get the best options available to them.  As I understand, they do not lose a year of eligibility?

My concern, centres around the hype that these players are considered the best in Canada for high school.  Truth is they are traditionally a year older, and should not be compared to the best high school players in Canada  
Or, there should be two different classifications, however, the hype these businesses are pushing them as the best high school players in Canada and US.
It's called apples to apples,you cannot rank players that are a-year-old or and call them high school players  As the best in the country.
Truth is they can't compete at the desired next level when they graduate high school,so they Play prep school, reclassifie and compete at the high school level to be given a better rating.
There is nothing wrong with trying to benefit yourself, however, in Canada and the US these programs consistently talk about the best high school players.  When truth is, they're older and the true high school players that are trying to make an effort as you say languish.
Make the business separate from the true high school programs in North America. The first tournament, In BC last week spoke about how many D1 players participating, no recognition about CIS or development about basketball. Truth is, majority those players are not high school players, they are older and trying to get to max level. And these schools or business count on the players desire to play at the next level.
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PostSubject: Re: Prep schools in Canada   Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:35 pm

On the topic of prep schools, it seems the organization behind the BioSteel All-Canadian Game & Athlete Institute are bringing the Orangeville Prep (Miguel Tomley, James Karnik) & Profilic Prep teams to Vancouver on March 18.
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PostSubject: The Truth about Prep Schools Rankings and why they dont matter.   Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:17 pm

There is no real hype in Prep Schools

Preparatory schools in the US started as a way for elite "students" to polish their academic resumes to allow for IVY league considerations.  Students predominantly in the NorthEast that attended either local public schools, for financial reasons, that were not accepted into "Elite" universities straight out of HS, would pay the $30,000 for 1 year to attend a prep school.  Bang - they were in.

Financially, private schools, saw this as an opportunity.  Offer k-12 for the affluent student, then offer one more year for the post grad student.  Since they really are just a private School, they also offered sports, and in the past, when a non-qualifier needed to upgrade academically, these schools could offer the opportunity to that player to continue playing and also get the academic boost to play D1. Oak Hill, Monteverde, and truthfully 100's more have been doing it for a long time, mostly in the northeast US.  

Well, this has evolved. Now, there are Academies (not really Prep schools in the traditional sense) that sometimes operate on the backside of a private school (findlay prep), as a standalone school (IMG or the one in Colorado), or in also some cases as a computer lab in a house.  They are designed primary to develop the "Athlete-student".  They market themselves as an elite Training ground for the dedicated basketball athlete.  Believe it or not Canada has been doing this for 30+ years in hockey but it is more mature, and it is Hockey! nuff said. Look at the Academy at Yale HS.

Make no mistake, the whole "Prep" school/economy is 100% financially motivated. Okay, now to your questions.  

----------------- Why Reclassify?-----------------------
Because the NCAA allows you to enter Div 1. up to 21 (age when your clock starts without a hardship), some players, reclassify for academic reasons and some do so for physical maturity and some do it just for increased opportunity/exposure.  You have 1 year to start the Div 1/2 after you graduate (receive a diploma) as long as you are younger than 21.  So a player in BC or any other place in the world for that matter, that is not as skilled as a recruit in the US or has not had adequate exposure, could graduate High School and attend a "Prep" school to do a year of hardcore training and competing to increase their chances.  Contrary, to the earlier post, today, the NCAA limits academic upgrading, so, it primarily has to be for skill development.

These players are getting attention and are getting re-ranked, because, ranking services and evaluation services, quite honestly have no idea how a particular player compares to the next ranked player, most of the time have a difficult time accurately evaluating a player, and in some cases are guessing. It does stand to reason, that if a player is ranked, say #31, with a year of training, they should get better, especially if they were ranked #31 in the 2017 Class and now are being considered in the 2018 Class.

------------------Ranked higher because they are older.-------------------------

YES - but you are missing the point. In this case, you see rankings as a way to gauge your kid, or yourself against other players.  This is not what they are there for.  Rankings are NOT there for your pleasure, and NOT there for you to tweet what your kid's ranking is. They are not a good way to see how your kid is developing.  These rankings are just a way for the creator, usually a recruiting service,to list off names they know, and sell the information to NCAA coaches.  Also, you don't seem to mention about the kid that enters kindergarten as a 7 year old so maybe you are just upset about the kid that pays for prep school.  Any way, both subjects are a whole nother thread.

---------------Promotion of D1 Athletes by a tournament. Why not CIS?----------

Well, if, you a player are given the opportunity to play "D1" vs. CIS, most of the time, if it is a good situation, it is a wiser move, (not the only move, there are some other things to consider).  On so many levels, Training, Support, Finances, Opportunity, Culture, it goes on and on... Trust me 100% of the CIS coaches, if they were offered a job at the D1 level, would be out the door, before the ink was dry on the contract.  

If a player is not recruited to go D1, then, they are most likely, not tall enough, not physically mature enough, not athletic enough, not skilled enough, not competitive enough, or a combination of those.  So, if there is the opportunity to see or compete against D1 players, then you are most likely playing against/watching the bar for which you hope to reach.  How awesome is that?  Seems fair.

Lastly, the overall agenda of a tournament is to make money.  Consider this: Biggest basketball tournament - $10. Tickets, Probably good players, but none you have ever heard of.  Hope to see you There!  The organizer paid the school to come... paid their expenses. paid for everything.  They need to make it back somehow and need more than just parents to show up.

------------------Canadian high school rankings.-------------

Make it easy:  Stop looking at rankings.  Problem solved.  Since these rankings are designed only to sell information to US College programs create interest, you will likely be looking for something that you will never find. North Pole Hoops may not rank your kid/you because they may have never seen your kid's game - how could they see everyone?  They don't have budgets to watch players play in every tournament. They might see video, but who is the competition?  How many games?  Same goes for ESPN and any other service. EXAMPLE: We took our Girls Team to Montreal, and played in what everyone called the top Girls tournament in Canada. They put us in the College Division. We didnt even get to play Team Ontario or any other club teams. We won our first game by lots 30+(remember college teams), we beat #1 Dawson by 8, we beat #2 MOMO by 36, we lost to Champlain by 1 on a last second shot. The only kid of ours ranked Nationally, was a kid that wasn't even with us and was playing for Team Canada and our 4th best player.

So they host camps to make money and say "Get Ranked". All these camps won't help either sorry to say.  Recruiting Camps: very few players, if ANY ever got a scholarship to a D1 school based on these camps - another myth - and another thread.

The rankings can do whatever they want, and they will. Stop worrying about them.  If your AAU club is reputable, they will tell you where the player stands, what they have to work on and where they really can play.

In Summation: Train Hard;  Develop skills; Get good grades; Find the best development support group (Club Team, Camps, etc.).  You get out what you put in.
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