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GM Breaker '84-'88



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PostSubject: Just two things:   Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:49 pm



Go Devon Park !! Please beat Harvey and Mr.MacCheat. I cannot cheer for a guy who rigs, and throws games. He also likes to insult his opposition.

Thirty years ago this week, Grand Manan High School won the 1981 Provincial Title - 44-43 over Petitcodiac, the first of many. So bow down....lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:08 pm

GM Breaker '84-'88 wrote:


Go Devon Park !! Please beat Harvey and Mr.MacCheat. I cannot cheer for a guy who rigs, and throws games. He also likes to insult his opposition.

Thirty years ago this week, Grand Manan High School won the 1981 Provincial Title - 44-43 over Petitcodiac, the first of many. So bow down....lol.
who cares about grand manan 30 years ago. their first of many is over now it looks like hockey might be taking over be island now
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:03 am

GM Breaker '84-'88 wrote:


Go Devon Park !! Please beat Harvey and Mr.MacCheat. I cannot cheer for a guy who rigs, and throws games. He also likes to insult his opposition.

Thirty years ago this week, Grand Manan High School won the 1981 Provincial Title - 44-43 over Petitcodiac, the first of many. So bow down....lol.

Sad Doug Really Sad Sad.........I'm sure you would be a great coach........NOT
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:29 pm

I like both teams. And Gm could be classified as the best single A team of the past 30 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:59 pm

Did GM ever compete in any other sports?
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:07 am

baller24 wrote:
Did GM ever compete in any other sports?

GM competes in several other sports, won the AA boys Baseball Banner a few years back, a couple of other finals losses, but make no bones about it, we have always been primarily a basketball town.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:09 am

I see. Well you could become competitive again as the NBIAA is rumoured to be heading back to A,AA and AAA again.

Lets hope it goes through.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:21 am

baller24 wrote:
I see. Well you could become competitive again as the NBIAA is rumoured to be heading back to A,AA and AAA again.

Lets hope it goes through.
what formula will they use to deside who is A,AA,AAA ? does anyone know?
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:32 am

I believe they are discussing that now. It will still need to be voted in, but I think most agree that there needs to be change.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:35 am

gm you are old
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:23 pm

driver59 wrote:
baller24 wrote:
I see. Well you could become competitive again as the NBIAA is rumoured to be heading back to A,AA and AAA again.

Lets hope it goes through.
what formula will they use to deside who is A,AA,AAA ? does anyone know?
Right now what they are leaning towards is going with up to 300 students for A, 300 to 700 for AA and AAA will be over 700 students. Much better that the old 30%, 30%, and 40% in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:35 pm

Rudas wrote:
driver59 wrote:
baller24 wrote:
I see. Well you could become competitive again as the NBIAA is rumoured to be heading back to A,AA and AAA again.

Lets hope it goes through.
what formula will they use to deside who is A,AA,AAA ? does anyone know?
Right now what they are leaning towards is going with up to 300 students for A, 300 to 700 for AA and AAA will be over 700 students. Much better that the old 30%, 30%, and 40% in my opinion.
I don't supppose there is somewhere you could see the enrolment of the schools without looking them up individually. If those numbers are what they go with, DRHS will be an A school.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:36 pm

It will not have anything to do with %'s this time

All based on school population.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:40 pm

Not sure where you might find them but they were sent out to the schools by the nbiaa last week. They have the average enrollment from 2008-2010 which is how they have the schools listed. Dalhousie is listed as 315 so they would stay AA. Aux quatre vents is next at 309 and then you drop to the proposed A schools lead by Minto with 273.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:17 pm

Rudas wrote:
Not sure where you might find them but they were sent out to the schools by the nbiaa last week. They have the average enrollment from 2008-2010 which is how they have the schools listed. Dalhousie is listed as 315 so they would stay AA. Aux quatre vents is next at 309 and then you drop to the proposed A schools lead by Minto with 273.
Oh so it's a 3 year average. I wonder if it will be reassessed every 3 years. Dal has 280 students this year and falling . It is looking like it will be around 200 in a few years
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:28 pm

It is always reassessed every three years...that's how we got into this AA and AAA mess in the first place! I know this is a basketball forum but everyone has to look at the other sports as well. Small school like Devon Park (55), McAdam (76), and Campobello (45) do well in basketball but when you need 14 or 15 players for a soccer team it doesn't work. If you have to play other schools like Sugarloaf or ESA or Fundy with 400+ students you end up having grade eights playing against mostly grade elevens and twelves. That creates a very dangerous situation in a contact sport. For the small schools, without those grade eights or nines they literally don't have enough bodies to field a team. Therefore what some small schools have done is simply not have a team. No system will ever be perfect but the one in place now is certainly not working.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:39 pm

Dalhousie's official numbers for this year is 297, with a three year average of 315. Below are the numbers. The last number is what the NBIAA will be using for the next 3 years.

Enrollment 08-10 2/16/2011
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District School Name 2010 2009 2008 Average
18 Fredericton High School 1935 1910 1947 1931
18 Leo Hayes High School 1735 1800 1778 1771
17 Oromocto High School 1249 1247 1254 1250
02 Moncton High School 1197 1258 1249 1235
02 Riverview High School 1148 1171 1179 1166
08 St. Malachy's Memorial High School 1120 1164 1165 1150
08 Saint John High School 1113 1121 1131 1122
08 Simonds High School 1078 1116 1162 1119
03 Cité des Jeunes A.-M.- Sormany 1026 1113 1178 1106
06 Kennebecasis Valley High School 1068 1068 1089 1075
05 École secondaire Népisiguit 1000 1053 1062 1038
01 École Mathieu-Martin 971 1025 995 997
08 Harbour View High School 965 998 1001 988
02 Bernice MacNaughton High School 912 954 928 931
06 Sussex Regional High School 899 923 945 922
02 Harrison Trimble High School 874 925 936 912
09 Polyvalente W.-Arthur-Losier 834 903 944 894
16 Miramichi Valley High School 864 895 911 890
01 École L'Odyssée 767 764 760 764
15 Bathurst High School 744 750 749 748
06 Hampton High School 728 741 751 740
16 James M. Hill Memorial High School 701 744 726 724
14 Woodstock High School 654 708 698 687
11 Polyvalente Louis-J.-Robichaud 650 662 673 662
10 St. Stephen High School 637 662 681 660
09 École Marie-Esther 589 652 696 646
09 Polyvalente Louis-Mailloux 609 631 664 635
06 Rothesay High School 618 659 625 634
14 Carleton North High School 648 640 609 632
11 École Clément-Cormier 558 590 592 580
02 Tantramar Regional High School 485 510 573 523
03 Polyvalente Thomas-Albert 443 456 502 467
15 Sugarloaf Senior High School 428 466 455 450
10 Fundy High School 410 438 431 426
05 Polyvalente Roland-Pépin 365 412 459 412
16 Bonar Law Memorial School 400 391 401 397
01 École Sainte-Anne 395 389 394 393
14 Southern Victoria High School 369 385 366 373
02 J.M.A. Armstrong/Salisbury Middle School 333 336 372 347
11 École Mgr-Marcel-François-Richard 286 319 344 316
15 Dalhousie Regional High School 297 313 334 315
05 Aux quatre vents 290 303 335 309
17 Minto Memorial High School 267 275 276 273
14 Nackawic Senior High School 256 275 274 268
02 Petitcodiac Regional School 211 255 286 251
14 John Caldwell School 221 230 231 227
14 Hartland Community School 227 213 209 216
09 Centre scolaire-communautaire La Fontain 191 211 211 204
Enrollment 08-10 2/16/2011
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District School Name 2010 2009 2008 Average
02 Caledonia Regional High School 194 197 221 204
03 Polyvalente A.-J.-Savoie 176 192 206 191
06 Belleisle Regional High School 179 191 188 186
Rothesay Netherwood School 186 179 192 186
14 Tobique Valley High School 168 184 196 183
18 Harvey High School 190 186 167 181
18 Central New Brunswick Academy 170 177 191 179
16 North & South Esk Regional High School 164 173 174 170
03 École Marie-Gaétane 154 161 172 162
16 Blackville School 152 157 172 160
01 Centre scolaire Samuel-de-Champlain 148 160 166 158
10 Grand Manan Community School 152 160 160 157
17 Chipman Forest Avenue School 138 132 155 142
18 Stanley Regional High School 117 123 117 119
11 École Secondaire Assomption 113 114 116 114
10 Sir James Dunn Academy 118 94 112 108
03 École Grande-Rivière 80 104 106 97
18 McAdam High School 72 72 83 76
14 Canterbury High School 75 74 79 76
14 Saint Mary's Academy 54 64 84 67
11 École Régionale de Baie-Sainte-Anne 71 63 64 66
17 Cambridge-Narrows Community School 56 59 64 60
Moncton Christian School 50 58 57 56
Devon Park 50 58 57 55
11 École Carrefour Beausoleil 51 56 48 52
10 Campobello Island Consolidated School 45 44 47 45
Sussex Christian School 43 44 46
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:55 pm

Thanks for the numbers. Real interesting.

So then we would have 22 AAA, 20 AA and 33 A schools if they use the cut off mentioned above.

FYI That puts the percentages at 29%, 26% and 44%. Not too far off the 30,30,40 we used before.

I wonder if they are considering realigning the conferences as well
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PostSubject: Lets just play, but for what it is worth:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:24 pm

I guess it is time we started talking about this again, much as it pains me.

1 - No system is perfect, I just hope that the decision whatever it is gets made for a reason that has something to do with development/growth of sport, player safety, travel, competitive opportunities for all, or any reason other than a number of schools who want an easier path to wins.

2 - I do not think that three tiers works in our current sport culture. In terms of sports and number of participating teams and jv and small school levels it could increase. And the current smaller AAA schools get to become stronger AA teams. But under the terms of todays travel guidelines you will see many mid sized schools not register teams, due to the cost of travel as AA would basically become interlocked leagues in all sports/divisions. I also think from a purely competitive stand point you don't do anything about the difference between the top and bottom just create 3 smaller pools with a huge disparity between strong teams and weaker teams.

3 - Right now at the top of AA leagues you've got a large pool of teams who are competitive and the same in AAA, you also have large pools of relatively closer teams at the bottom of each but they are not of the same caliber as the top. It would seem to me the easy solution would be for travel and and competitiveness to stay at a high level but give everyone an opportunity to compete in the offseason. AAA - Tier 1/Tier 2 playoffs, AA- Tier 1/Tier 2 Playoffs. If you qualify for tier 1 playoffs (regular playoff system) then that is where you go, everyone else goes Tier 2.

4 - As Rudas pointed out things are very different in different sports. One rule for all based on something as arbitrary as how many people live in your schools entrapment area doesn't reflect the abilities, resources and intrests of communities. Also the school population numbers tend to be skewed as some schools may have twice the numbers but be drawing kids in from 40+ minutes away. The school with half the numbers but everyone within 15 minutes of the school is going to have stronger participation and programs. So while no real solution will ever satisfy everyone, I'm not sure why the decisions are made on population other then it is an easy constant to apply across the board and easier is not always better.

5 - I don't care one way or the other. I'll still coach and encourage kids to play regardless of the level we are placed in. I do not like the idea of setting a precedent where every 3 years there could drastic changes to to divisions, teams, schools and leagues. I don't envy schools trying to build programs who don't know whether they will be A, AA, AAA, AAAA? by the time their grade 9 students are 12th graders. I know there will always be some movement in schools and leagues but I'm not talking about movement. This shifts had unforeseen changes in terms of JV leagues disappearing at a AA level or some sports (rugby?) only having AAA varsity as an option. Convincing kids, parents, and supporters to invest time and energy is difficult if the landscape radically changes all the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:01 pm

39forever wrote:
baller24 wrote:
Did GM ever compete in any other sports?

GM competes in several other sports, won the AA boys Baseball Banner a few years back, a couple of other finals losses, but make no bones about it, we have always been primarily a basketball town.

I don't like to point this out because that AA team a few years back was great but they lost in the AA boys final, then GM added a few more A banners after. They never won AA.

It would be great see see the old format back!
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:03 pm

Campo02 wrote:
39forever wrote:
baller24 wrote:
Did GM ever compete in any other sports?

GM competes in several other sports, won the AA boys Baseball Banner a few years back, a couple of other finals losses, but make no bones about it, we have always been primarily a basketball town.

I don't like to point this out because that AA team a few years back was great but they lost in the AA boys final, then GM added a few more A banners after. They never won AA.

It would be great see see the old format back!

*baseball, which is very true
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:18 pm

Ball Player 06/08-10 wrote:
Campo02 wrote:
39forever wrote:
baller24 wrote:
Did GM ever compete in any other sports?

GM competes in several other sports, won the AA boys Baseball Banner a few years back, a couple of other finals losses, but make no bones about it, we have always been primarily a basketball town.

I don't like to point this out because that AA team a few years back was great but they lost in the AA boys final, then GM added a few more A banners after. They never won AA.

It would be great see see the old format back!

*baseball, which is very true

Ohhhh I misread that, very sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:07 am

The tier system that Paul Roy put forward made a lot of sense to me. It would have kept leagues together and therefore reduced travel.

Then come playoffs you go to your tier. More light at the end of the tunnel for a lot of schools.

No system is gonna be perfect, but we need to get away from scools of a population of 600 tyring to compete with schools of 1500+.
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:56 am

All very good points i must say , however we need to address what really counts here, the student, the student who wants to play soccer but cant because of travel concerns , the girls that want to play basketball but there sr girls coach already has 17 kids on the team and the remaining kids (that are JV age ) have no place to play because there are no jv teams i wounder how many kids sat out of there chosen sport because there school didnt field a jv team( for what ever reason ) all this talk about classification and realignment is nessessery for sure i'm not criticizing anyone im just trying to speakup for the kids that lose out in all this . JUst something to think about
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PostSubject: Re: Just two things:   Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:56 pm

I wonder how many kids did not get to play because their school could not field a team because everyone was tired of losing to schools 3 times their size.
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